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hipknot01
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im always getting a tinny sound from a marshall half stack miced with and sm57 i have lots of mics ,but it just doesnt have that full sound i want.
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ermghoti
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How's it sound in the room? Got clips?
1. Use less distortion than you think you need.
2. The closer the mic is, the more bass you'll get, volume can increase this effect. The more angled the mic is the source, the less highs you get (generally). The middle of the speaker is brightest, the edge less bright, the center area of the cone is least bright.
3. Reduce some highs, over 4k to 6k, it will make the top smoother.
4. Assuming it's a tube amp, is it loud enough for the power tubes to really grunt? The cab to vibrate?
1. Use less distortion than you think you need.
2. The closer the mic is, the more bass you'll get, volume can increase this effect. The more angled the mic is the source, the less highs you get (generally). The middle of the speaker is brightest, the edge less bright, the center area of the cone is least bright.
3. Reduce some highs, over 4k to 6k, it will make the top smoother.
4. Assuming it's a tube amp, is it loud enough for the power tubes to really grunt? The cab to vibrate?
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Ostia Man
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I've always udes the sm57 with another mic. alone it sound just too thin.
Try using the sm57 near the cone of one speaker, and maybe a condenser mic(or another 57) near the edge of another speaker. and maybe room mic's.
Try using the sm57 near the cone of one speaker, and maybe a condenser mic(or another 57) near the edge of another speaker. and maybe room mic's.
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msblaze
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the middle of the actual speaker is the cone.
punkin
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Tell us your complete set up...guitar, amp, mic, mic-preamp, audio interface (if you're recording to PC) or if other. Give us the complete break down. Exactly...how are you using the gear.
How does the amp sound in the room as you're playing...does it meet your expectation. Are you telling us that the recording isn't what you're hearing?
I agree that the SM57 isn't the full meal deal but you should get pretty close. The mic should be right up into the grill cloth...start by placing it about half way between the center of the speaker and the outer edge. Closer to the edge should get more bottom end sound...move it around to find the desired sound.
You said you have a bunch of mics...exactly what are they?
How does the amp sound in the room as you're playing...does it meet your expectation. Are you telling us that the recording isn't what you're hearing?
I agree that the SM57 isn't the full meal deal but you should get pretty close. The mic should be right up into the grill cloth...start by placing it about half way between the center of the speaker and the outer edge. Closer to the edge should get more bottom end sound...move it around to find the desired sound.
You said you have a bunch of mics...exactly what are they?
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ermghoti
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msblaze said:
I have always heard the dome in the middle of a speaker called a dust cap or cap, and the main moving part the cone, which is driven by the voice coil.
Cone.
Dust cap.
Recone kit
Note the small dust cap in relation to the cone.
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hipknot01
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Marshall MG100HDFX/MG412 Half Stack
gibson sg special
sm57
4 Peavey PVM 325
MCA SP2
MXL 990
Nady CM 90
Behringer Eurorack UB1202
Behringer Eurorack UB802
mr8HD
the room is prtty dead and when i record guitar it just sounds so weak and thin
gibson sg special
sm57
4 Peavey PVM 325
MCA SP2
MXL 990
Nady CM 90
Behringer Eurorack UB1202
Behringer Eurorack UB802
mr8HD
the room is prtty dead and when i record guitar it just sounds so weak and thin
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iratecaller666
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eyyyyy.
Fist thing that comes to mind is how empty this room is? .. could the 'tinny' sound be the result of a high pitch sound reflection (reverb) off yer walls?
Is the mix of all the mics you're using tinny .. or is the recording of each individual mic tinny? .. are you really using more than 1, or have you limitted your experience to a single mic so far?
How loud are you playing this thing man?
It still has to be pretty loud for instrument mics.
That mg amp, that's solid state right? .. so it doesn't have to be terribly loud, but you need a bit of juice for the 57's.
Try to get some of that ooumph by placing a spare mic in the back of the amp. No shit. ... but read the rest of this first ..
Also, like most of us here, you probably have your amp in one room, and play your guitar in the 'control' room , most likely with a pair of headphones on your head or through monitors.
So couple of things:
- Make sure you record the guitar bone dry (no effects) .. reverbs and delays are added to the recorded guitar tracks AFTER.
- Is your patch cord to your amp too long? Are you loosing too much juice?
- Are you sure it's weak and tiny, could it just be that your headphones or monitors simply can't reproduce what a 4x12 can do ? (uhm that's a loaded question .. of course they can't (depending on how big they are).. but maybe your recording would be great in a mix with a bit of compression and eq'ing. A mic'd cab rarely sounds great in the home recordists control room. Standing in front of it always sounds better. It's always gonna sound weaker. (Unless you're really really really good at the recording shtick .. then maybe you can pull off what i've never heard . The guru's can .. but .. takes years.)
- Double tracking (recording the same thing twice and panning one to left, the other to right) is the key to full guitar rythms on rock and metal albums.
.. Beauty with this method, is that you can use a single microphone everytime, but record many takes of the same riff. More time consuming though. (Managing 1 mic, is easier for us home recording guys, though some of the guys on the board are more knowledgeable and have the ear for mixing several mics.)
- Try making the amp louder .. and make sure your recording signal almost hits the red .. almost.
That's all i can offer.
Trist
Fist thing that comes to mind is how empty this room is? .. could the 'tinny' sound be the result of a high pitch sound reflection (reverb) off yer walls?
Is the mix of all the mics you're using tinny .. or is the recording of each individual mic tinny? .. are you really using more than 1, or have you limitted your experience to a single mic so far?
How loud are you playing this thing man?
It still has to be pretty loud for instrument mics.
That mg amp, that's solid state right? .. so it doesn't have to be terribly loud, but you need a bit of juice for the 57's.
Try to get some of that ooumph by placing a spare mic in the back of the amp. No shit. ... but read the rest of this first ..
Also, like most of us here, you probably have your amp in one room, and play your guitar in the 'control' room , most likely with a pair of headphones on your head or through monitors.
So couple of things:
- Make sure you record the guitar bone dry (no effects) .. reverbs and delays are added to the recorded guitar tracks AFTER.
- Is your patch cord to your amp too long? Are you loosing too much juice?
- Are you sure it's weak and tiny, could it just be that your headphones or monitors simply can't reproduce what a 4x12 can do ? (uhm that's a loaded question .. of course they can't (depending on how big they are).. but maybe your recording would be great in a mix with a bit of compression and eq'ing. A mic'd cab rarely sounds great in the home recordists control room. Standing in front of it always sounds better. It's always gonna sound weaker. (Unless you're really really really good at the recording shtick .. then maybe you can pull off what i've never heard . The guru's can .. but .. takes years.)
- Double tracking (recording the same thing twice and panning one to left, the other to right) is the key to full guitar rythms on rock and metal albums.
.. Beauty with this method, is that you can use a single microphone everytime, but record many takes of the same riff. More time consuming though. (Managing 1 mic, is easier for us home recording guys, though some of the guys on the board are more knowledgeable and have the ear for mixing several mics.)
- Try making the amp louder .. and make sure your recording signal almost hits the red .. almost.
That's all i can offer.
Trist
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Dani Pace
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Can you try using another amp? I'm not knocking yours but for some reason sometimes a different amp will make a huge difference. I have trouble with half stack amps too, seems like they sound either tinny or muddy (maybe it's me or my room or who knows what.) One thing that has worked for me is to remove the grill and mic only one speaker (really cloce.) For some reason one speaker will always sound better than the other three (for recording anyway.)
gbondo9
p3n
I have an open back 1x12 amp, and when I started micing the back of my amp as well as the front speaker cones, is when I started getting the guitar sound I wanted.
Only to find out later that once you add bass guitar, drums, keys and vox, that an enormously fat sounding guitar track takes up too much sonic range. I still mic the back of the amp, but now instead of a great huge sounding guitar track, im usually just looking for a wee bit of filler.
todd
Only to find out later that once you add bass guitar, drums, keys and vox, that an enormously fat sounding guitar track takes up too much sonic range. I still mic the back of the amp, but now instead of a great huge sounding guitar track, im usually just looking for a wee bit of filler.
todd
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hipknot01
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heres a link to a recording i just made www.myspace.com/romeoandchemistryrock
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Gnash5150
Lefty
Does your SG Special have soapbars in it? They can sound pretty thin, like the SG System of a Down's guitarists uses. I am not dissing SOAD. I never like a "metal" rythym sound until I have doubled and hard panned the two tracks. I think you may just need to spend more time dialing in your sound, and moving your mic around the cone to find the sweet spot with the 57. It isn't the mic!