Times are changing....intresting read....

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As much as I have huge respect for Albini, he sounds like a Luddite with his "I've found no reason to change" mantra. With his deep seated reservations about digital methods and media, it sounds like he doesn't understand that you can make any number of lossless replicas in digital format from hard disk to DAT tape to CD to DVD. Who needs a 'permanent master'?

"No analog recording ever made is unplayable today". Yeah just remember to bake that old tape in the oven for 24 hours first
 
Thats exactly what I was thinking. He doesn't even seem to understand digital technology. Many, many years down the road when all of his tapes have turned into dust, lossless copies of old digital recordings will remain on computers in the future forever. His precious tape recordings will have probably been backed up in a digital format as well just to save him from his own stupid so people can still listen to his recordings.
 
The Seifer said:
Thats exactly what I was thinking. He doesn't even seem to understand digital technology. Many, many years down the road when all of his tapes have turned into dust, lossless copies of old digital recordings will remain on computers in the future forever. His precious tape recordings will have probably been backed up in a digital format as well just to save him from his own stupid so people can still listen to his recordings.
He was probably referring to CD rot which is the cd degrading after a number of years in addition to the backward compatibility issues.

Cloneboy, thank you for sharing!
 
I'm sure a digital archiving system will be developed and standardized offering the ability to store terrabytes of data permanently and in a format that is universal.
 
He IS talking about DAT

Bulls Hit said:
As much as I have huge respect for Albini, he sounds like a Luddite with his "I've found no reason to change" mantra. With his deep seated reservations about digital methods and media, it sounds like he doesn't understand that you can make any number of lossless replicas in digital format from hard disk to DAT tape to CD to DVD. Who needs a 'permanent master'?

"No analog recording ever made is unplayable today". Yeah just remember to bake that old tape in the oven for 24 hours first

DAT falls apart, apparently. I, however, do agree that digital recordings will last forever because they are so easy to back up on computer, etc.
 
While I agree with SA, I finally converted over to digital. Sure, it's cheaper, faster, more powerful, blah blah blah. But what I missed the most is the process of working in analog. It was much more methodical and focused on performances.

The problem for me was that I found it increasingly difficult to acquire reliable gear in the analog world. My dream setup was a nice analog console and a 1" 16 track machine. When I found myself up at 1:30 a.m. for the chance to bid $4500 for some old Soundcraft board that would have had me up to my elbows in circuitry for the next 9 months just to get it to work, I realized I had hit my limit. Fortunately, some other analog hound beat me to it and spared me the pain.

Now I've got a G5 with MOTU 896HD and Digital Performer. I'm glad I got that setup for many reasons, but I do miss the work aesthetic of the analog world. It just seemed much more centered around hitting record and playing, rather than shifting sound snippets around a screen.

Has digital made me a better player/arranger/producer? No. In many ways it encourages sloppy technique through deferring decisions, rather than forcing proper discipline in the first place. I'm trying to re-instill that discipline, but the digital tools keep pleading "Dude, don't worry, you can fix all that later, hehe..."

-Sigh...
 
Things forever change. The American Civil War was covered by artists* (Winslow Homer among them) who sent their drawings back to the New York (for example) newspapers where the drawings were engraved onto steel plates by highly skilled, highly paid technicians (whose work is a wonder to behold) and printed as breaking news.

By the Spanish-American War, there were no more steel engravers. What happened? Photography and half-tone reproduction.

I'm just grateful for digital because it offers me tools I could never afford with analog. And the key is NOT making it seem analog, it's making it sound good.
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*What about Matthew Brady?, you ask. Well, he was one against an army of sketchers, and the newspapers had no way of printing his photographs.
 
Todzilla said:
but I do miss the work aesthetic of the analog world. It just seemed much more centered around hitting record and playing, rather than shifting sound snippets around a screen.



-Sigh...

Surely that's one of the benefits of digital recording is that you CAN just hit record and start playing, without having to find a tape, rewind to the correct postion, make sure you're not recording over something else etc.

Shifting things around the screen comes later when arranging. And again how much better is that in the digital world instead of having to physically cut & splice tape. Brian Wilson wouldn't have got Smile the way he wanted without be able to arrange digitally.

But at the end of the day, the fundamentals of capturing the raw sound you want through the mics hasn't changed, regardless of whether it's going to tape or hard disk
 
Bulls Hit said:
"No analog recording ever made is unplayable today". Yeah just remember to bake that old tape in the oven for 24 hours first
When that hack Kevin Dubrow of Quiet Riot tried to capitalize on Randy Rhodes' memory, he said he had to bake the old masters of his early recordings (from '74, and this was in '96) for 48 hours, and most of it was unsuable....
 
I'm fairly new to this forum, and have recently been reading up on a lot of posts from musicians/sound engineers who have been posting their thoughts and opinions on the differences between analog recording vs digital recording.
I've only been recording since around '94 when I bought my first Fostex four track cassette tape recorder. I used that for about four years until I bought my first digital multi-track, a Yamaha MD8. I now own and use a Fostex VF160 16 track hard disc recorder and am very pleased with the recordings I get with it. I've never had the opportunity to own one of the old analog 16 or 24 track "2 reel to reels, so I never knew what kind of quality of recordings they produced, just what I've read from other people who have owned and used one on these forums. The idea of analog vs digital recording is fairly new to me, and I didn't realize that there was this much of a debate on the subject. Other than the old Fostex four track tape machine that I had, the only recording medium I've really ever used has been digital.
I know now that the majority it seems of musicians/sound engineers prefer the old style analog recording method. Unfortunately, due to the cost and increasing unavailability of this type of equipment for the average musician, it seems to me that we might as well embrace the digital technology as the accepted way of recording our music, don't you think? Some of us may hang on to some of the old analog devices we still have and can still utilize, such as mixer boards, effects, etc., but for the most part, digital technology is here to stay and is cheaper and easier to work with. It's time to let go of the old and make way for the new, even though it's hard to let go of the old, I'm afraid for most of us who cannot afford to aquire the old analog recorders, we must start to accept the new digital equipment that is being used nowadays, and just learn to record music with it. In the long run, it's the music that counts anymore, not the medium on which it's recorded.

Tunes68.
 
I wish I had an all digital amp that made my guitar sound like a robot.
Maybe you just need a robot audience with digital ears.:rolleyes:
 
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