Time Signatures!

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I mostly stay within 4/4 and 3/4 time signatures, but I have written a few songs in 5/4, 7/8, 11/8, 9/8, and a few others.

What kind of time signatures have YOU experimented with? ;o
 
7, 11, 5, 6, 9 and 10. I also like 7 and 6 across 4/4.
 
I only write in 4/4 cause those other beatz ain't real beatz - know what I'm sayin? lol :D true about the 4/4 tho..
 
TBH, I'm surprised there hasn't been much in regards to "math hop" - hip-hop beats and rapping over crazy time signatures. There's money behind that! Someone needs to get on it!!
 
I do a lot of 6/8 - I have a 9/8 instrumental piece I'll record some day.. and I'm going to force my next song to be 7/8 just because I like it so much..
 
I mostly stay within 4/4 and 3/4 time signatures, but I have written a few songs in 5/4, 7/8, 11/8, 9/8, and a few others.

What kind of time signatures have YOU experimented with? ;o

I have no idea.
Sometimes, it's when I've come to record the basic tracks with the drummer that I'll realize that the song is in some funky time signature. Also, the accents can change the time signature because the piece is moving before a beat has resolved into something convenient so at times, I don't know what it is. I recognize 5/4s in my stuff. A friend told me some esoteric time signature that I'd done for something that I thought was maybe a little strange, but still straightforward. I'd never heard of it. And I still can't tell the difference between 3/4 and 6/8. I just call both 'waltz time'.
I did something a bit odd the other day. I needed a short piece to join an intro with the first verse. I'd had a few ideas in my head for nearly two years but I abandoned them when it came to recording time. On the click on Cubase 5, you can set the time so I set all kinds of weird times and some, the click couldn't do. But it could do 9/8. So I did 4 percussion pieces in 9/8 but each time, I didn't listen to what I had done previously. When I put them together, they were wicked ! Then I put some sitar, dilruba and tambura in there and it sounded ever so exotic. But it was made in Kingsbury !
I did a similar thing with the extended intro to this song about the Arab spring. It was the first time I'd ever recorded with a click. It was straight 4/4 click but because the song was written on bass, the intro bass was some weird timing. I couldn't even tell you what it was. All the percussion, brass section, gongs and chanting played off the bass and it was rather kaleidoscopic, especially once the click was taken out.
I'm no stranger to time signature weirdette.
 
I have a side project where we dabbled in some insanity. Nothing too complex, but I think over the course of one album we played in 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11 and 13!
 
TBH, I'm surprised there hasn't been much in regards to "math hop" - hip-hop beats and rapping over crazy time signatures. There's money behind that! Someone needs to get on it!!

Most of my generation wouldn't understand it.
 
TBH, I'm surprised there hasn't been much in regards to "math hop" - hip-hop beats and rapping over crazy time signatures. There's money behind that! Someone needs to get on it!!

Most of my generation wouldn't understand it.

Most people don't understand the math rock variants either. Doesn't mean they aren't awesome!

I've recorded one song that was either in 17/8 or 9/4 (I have trouble counting past 4) with a bridge in 6/8.
That same album had a song with two arbitrary measures of 5/4. (i.e. I said, "let's put some 5/4 in here to see what happens!")

The album I'm currently working on has a song that switches to 2/4 for a measure at the end of each chorus and another one that switches to 5/4. (I've been playing that second one live for years and didn't even know that!)

Otherwise, 95% of my stuff is 4/4, and 4% is 3/4 or 6/8.
 
Like most people, most of my songs are in 4/4. But I do have a couple in 6/4. I like using weird time signatures with in a 4/4 tune. Like, adding a beat to the last bar of the verses to go in to the chorus or vice versa. Or just having a an instrumental bridge that's got some 5/4 in it before going back into 4/4.

RUSH uses a lot of 7/4 and 7/8 in their tunes. It's pretty much a trademark of theirs to cut out that last 8th note of a pattern to make it 7/8. In fact, I think they've done it to death.
 
The only time signatures I've written in are 3/4, 4/4, 5/4, 6/8 and 7/8 (but by far I write mostly in 4/4). I suspect if I wrote more intrumental music I would be more inclind to experiment in more difficult times.

Like Rami within the body of a song, I may ask a lyrical line to create a measure of 5/4 within a 4/4 song - or other brief variations.

I use to gig in a jazz/jazz rock band doing some pretty intense music ike Mahavisnu Orchesta and Zappa - so we did a lot of instrument excursions in complex times - but as a writer I just don't feel that.
 
Y'know. I totally forgot about my "grindcore side project". I try to avoid even using time signatures for that stuff.

Maybe that's why the band only exists in my head, and barely at that?
 
hmmm...

my introduction to music was as a W-E-E little kid, and had something like 5 or 7 years of "drum" lessons, we're talking from about 5-ish onwards, every week, non stop. Older now, and able to look back with 20-20 hindsight?

My first several years were all percussion lessons. Snare only. what is it? 52 rudiments? we did them in turns, and did them ALL, exhaustively. Sight reading proper sheet the whole time. I had to learn to sight read every time signature, repeat, coda, you name it...

my one older brother was a drumemr too, hence i picked drums. (he switched to guitars and singing... I lay fallow for 20 years and started too get into learning music theory for composing with a computer). My BROTHER after 5 or so years, complained to my MOM that it was a bit "much" and was a "milk job" extracting as much money as long as possible... and my brother got the switch on the lessons to full set.

The last 2 or 3 years was all full set... once again it was all proper sheet music.




THEN lessons were over "for ever" unless I jammed wth someone and a better drummer would help me out, but... I would say 4/4 covers more than 90% of what the band or people jamming with *wanted* out of me.

In lessons for full set? I *hated* learning 4 to 8 "examples" of each and every variety of music I never HEARD of (naningo, tarantella, Bohemian Folk etc etc etc). Example ONE would be easy, but number four or eight was a complicated beat.

EDITORS NOTE: looking BACK on iit? the 5 years of percussion classical lessons gave me a certain "snap" and "precision" to my playing that other faster/better drummers a lot of them didnt have it. Guys could do cool fills and runs and double bass rolls, but, lots of them couldnt do the intimate, interesting hi-hat beats I was doing. Those lessons made my timing good too.

Looking back on it, these *hated* weird beats were all in bizarre time signatures.

What do I like?: I like when writing music on the computer, NOW, to remember to try various time signatures... both for a piece, and then if something is a little boring, try a different time signature against it (with it)

The WEIRD thing is? I already *knew* about other, interesting time signatures all along... THEN when I finally start to computer compose a little bit? Bang... forgot ALL about them and had to be reminded by one of my elders on another site! LMAO...

I mean, if you dont CATCH yourself going to 4/4 or 16/4 like breathing, you dont notice it



Stuff I have tried, and still do...

1) I like the sound of 4/4 and 5/4 together. I also like 5/4 for a whole piece. Musicians will notice the 5/4 setup instantly... but non musicians usually dont. I think the mind "hears" 4/4 when the song is 4/4 and the drums are in 5/4 (a combo I like the sound oof...), but, the 5/4 drums somehow have cool sound I cant put into words, when it works.

Instead of the usual robotic "small fill" every 4 measures of 4/4 or whatnot... the zippy little snare hits and stuff come at different beats throughout the measures.

A closely related topic is "polyrhythm". as an example, if you for instance write the SNARE as 1...2...3... but write the ride cymbal for instance as 1...2...3...4 then the snare/cymbal polyrhythm if 4:3.

I have played with it when making piano melodies as well.

in my big format classical orch stuff I like to make for exercises... I keep TRYING to have a 3 beat for the flutes come in, over a 4/4 or other time sig, and try to "time" the "orch hits" at key points where the 2 out of time beats "catch" temporarily, but, I havent successfully made it "work" yet...

but... mixing 4/4 with 5/4 or 6/4 for the various orch instruments works well...




I like the "prog rock" they always call it... progressive musicians are supposed to exploit the benefits of being advanced students of music, and some of the "hallmarks" of progressive music are:

using odd and mixed time signatures
using polyrhythms to good effect

most popular music, though... is all 4/4 or "standard" time. If you jam with other musicians, and cover stuff, almost all of it will be in 4/4
 
4/4 is always the easiest, but 5/4 has always created an interesting sound. And of course, 3/4 is great with some eerie sounding songs I've noticed.
 
I stick mostly with 4/4...but will do combinations of 2/4 & 4/4 on some tunes, and then there have been a few where I've taken a 4/4 and thrown in a weird time signature change just for the bridge or chorus....like going to 7/8, and giving it that "skipped beat" feel, which works out well on up-tempo tunes.

Just a week a go I did a 3/4 song for, which I haven't done in a very long time...now the trick will be in trying to make it NOT end up sounding like a pure waltz or country/western tune...but that will be up to the rest of the tracks and vocal phrasing.
 
I usually just try to work the groove of the song.
Most of the time it just happens to be in 4/4 or 6/8 or something. But I don't really plan it or anything.

And you shouldn't either. :)
 
I really like 23/64.


Just kidding :D


I'm a pretty basic 4/4 sometimes 3/4 guy. Anything else just kinda bothers me lol :)
 
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