This is my Digital Hell: Where did I go wrong??

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No one has to call me stupid I am quite aware of my own limitations, it just seemed you were jumping on Dom and hadnt walked a mile in his shoes. Anyway I went out and bought an adat, mackie board, adat pcr card and all the other goodies and you are right, it takes a certain mindset
work and persistance. While I was learning I had two of my
buddies working with me who both had home computers which
I had never had and they just couldn't get it and if I wasnt there they would never have gotten anything recorded.
I work programming industrial robots basically all day long
and I have the mindset so I persevered but the other two guys were totally lost. One of the guys had the pressario
which we started with and 400.00 later in upgrades and still
not working worth a @#@@#$#$ I went out and bought a new system that I had built for me and no problems. AMD k7 by the way.
 
I'm not being critical of Trippalot for not achieving his goal of completing the demos. I can relate actually. I used to use computers for sequencing and I hated it. Bugs, upgrades, countless hours reading manuals, making calls to tech people, yelling every 4-letter word in the book. I bought an editor/librarian that had a 330 page manual....rediculus. That's when I decided I will NEVER use a computer for anything musical. I think for some people they are a nightmare and they don't encourage you to write songs....the very reason I do all this. Products like the Boss BR-8 are closer to what a lot of people really need, not Pro Tools.
 
I'm with ya WA

Yeah, man. I'm thinking of going analog; besides the fact that it seems a lot simpler in my opinion, you can really punch the hell out of tape. Not that digital is bad, it's just that so much of my creativity was stifled by the countless minutes that I was spending on tech phone calls (speaking of which, why the hell is no tech number toll free; crap if you ask me), tech manuals, experimentation with software, hardware, compatibility, etc. I think if you have the patience and drive, go for digital, man. I simply think I'll leave digital for mixdown only. Knowutimean?
 
Trippalot said:
Should I have gone analog???
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Yes. Nyah Nyah Nyah!

Just kidding! Theres not way to have predicted your problems. Most people doing HD recording do just fine. I had a similar experience to you in trying to go digital, and have stayed analog for some more time. Or rather, I'm keeping away from PC recording.
 
John Sayers said:
I can't seem to understand how some of you guys think you can go out and spend a heap on gear and suddenly you are a recording engineer - if you'd gone analogue you'd be here asking another set of questions and be equally frustrated - I'm sorry - recording is an Art, A Skill, A Science, and A Passion and it takes years to learn. :cool:
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I Agree John.
I started recording on 4 track about 15 years ago or so-before that I was bouncing tracks on a pair of stereo cassette units and a stereo reel to reel (we used the cassette units to create a "flange" and a chorus effect.

I moved to analog 8 track in 1994, and in 1999 moved to 16 track digital.

The whole time I ran a regional sound company for local bands, and worked for a few pro acts (including a few Death Metal acts when that first started to hit in the early 90's) I must admit, that I did strictly metal shows-I felt that I did my best work in that field, since that was what I listened to-I knew what the pro bands I worked with sounded like on their releases-and I could get pretty close to that live.

Currently I stick with recording Metal and Hard ROck.
I just don't feel I could give my best to someone who wanted Rap-I can't stand listening to it, so I would suggest another studio for them that does rap locally. Same thing for Country, even though "New Country" is becoming like old Rock-so that i could probably do, but they'd be getting a "metal" country sound! hahahaha

Tim
 
" recording is an Art, A Skill, A Science, and A Passion and it takes years to learn. "

I agree with you John, but some of that "skill" which people overlook is knowing the appropriate equipment to use to achive the end result. If all you were doing is recording a demo why would you use more than a simple 4 track recorder or a low cost version of a DAW. You are recording demos, you should't have to know about bit depths, sampling freq. digital sync, file conversions and formats. Keep things as simple as possible. When You are recording for Capitol Records then Step up to2" analog, Pro Tools, Radar, DA-98's. I spend countless hours a day using ProTools. I Live In IT. I think its great for so many things. Would I want to record a demo on it. No way. No demo needs 64 tracks!
 
ShakesTheClown said:
LOL ok

You must have a really hard time wiping your own ass then. Ya know with all the diff ways to do it and which paper to use. Its ok to be stupid just dont assume everyone else is.

I have had none of those problems and you have just as many choices with Analog equip as PC. Man wake up your statment sounded like my grandpa talking about a CD player or programing his VCR so much easier to just load in a Reel..
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I guess there are some clowns out there who can't formulate a sincere argument, without resorting to profanity and name calling.

FYI. I have Played with Pro Tools, PowerTracks Pro, Band in a box, Cool Edit Pro. and I am not impressed....

MR CLOWN what do you use again?... Now I am supposed to run out and buy the same software, and sound card you use? What about the hundreds of other options. Who's word do I take for it?

ADAT's are used in thousands of Professional studios around the world. You simply plug in any mixer,guitar or mic. (I don't care which one!)Press record and you are recording.

Go right ahead if you think that... Installing a sound card, Downloading software, Waiting for the computer to boot up, and Opening the program up, and clicking the mouse through several pages is just as easy. Not to mention a power glitch that might wipe out your data.

Dom Franco
 
LOL your statements show your lack of knowledge on the subject. You are making my point, keep posting
 
Oh one more thing I just plug an instrument into the inputs of my rack unit and hit record too. Takes me no time to record. "wait for the computer to boot up" urr it stays on 24/7 so dont think so.
 
JAMIECER

You're hitting right around what I've been learning lately. It still pisses me off that I had to take so much time away from recording to actually learn this stuff, but you know what? The same thing would have happened had I gone DAT, ADAT, or whatever the hell else I could've chosen to record on. It's experience that is required. I think somebody else said something along those lines on the first page of this post (LOL). Anyways, it's a learning process whatever medium you are using. If I get a contract to record with Capitol records, maybe I'll get them to show me how to use their $1,000,000,000,000,000,000 worth of equipment. Haha.

Later.

Tripp
 
ShakesTheClown said:
LOL your statements show your lack of knowledge on the subject. You are making my point, keep posting [/QUOTE

I hope Shakes that you don't mind me asking you to relax on your posts a little.
Dom has a point and it's legit.

May I also remind you that you were using a SDRAM on a CC820 MB that was proven to be a faulty MB and was recalled back by Intel to be replaced or to receive RDRAM as a replacment.
http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/thread.php?threaded=9064

When I mentioned it to you, you jumped out of your skin to tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about and that it worked fine.
Slackmasters post (for some reason his reply showes up before yours now. Perhaps it was moved by mistake) to you was "perhaps you should do a little more research and be pickier before you reply".

Up till today this MB has given quite a few Audio users many problems from noise to breaking down. I hope you took my advice.

If I remember correctly you were upset with somebody calling you arrogant and expected an apology. So cool the "grandpa" remarks as well



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LOL well doing research on the board and speaking with Intel,Asus and computer techs, I have come to the desision that if it isnt broke dont fix it. I can record just fine and have no problems with it, I have never had a random reboot and have had no noise problems, nothing. And not all the Mth chips are bad. Anyway about the comments above, yes I may have been a little harsh but some of the statements made are obviously coming from someone who doesnt know what he is talking about.
 
Oh and to Dom's statement about ADATs being in thousands of studios. Yes they are and when they came out people bashed them like you are bashing HD recording but they proved themselves as HD recording is proving itself. For example Ricky Martins CD Livin La vida Loca or however you spell it, was totally done on HD, and Lonestars record breaking #1 hit on pop and country (Amazed) was done on Paris HD. I could make a list of current albums done totally on HD but it would get very long. Oh one more and its my favorite, Clint Blacks latest album was done in his basement ALl on HD. ADAT sales are on a decline and will be dead in a couple more years. I have recorded many projects on ADAT and find them to be good but not that great, they were just a stepping stone from Reel to HD. Just an opinion.

And once again sorry for the smart ass remarks above, just tired of hearing things that are not accurate about HD being said..
 
Now Im really pissed, whats this HD sh&t, HD stands for Harley Davidson and dont nobody forget it. Thats analog for
motorcyle son.
 
Are ADAT's Dead?

ADAT sales are on a decline and will be dead in a couple more years. I have recorded many projects on ADAT and find them to be good but not that great, they were just a stepping stone from Reel to HD. Just an opinion.

And once again sorry for the smart ass remarks above, just tired of hearing things that are not accurate about HD being said.. [/B][/QUOTE]

Shakes;
I am glad we can finally agree on something. Yes ADAT's will go the way of the Dinosaur, (Cassette, 8 track tape, wax cylinders etc.)
Since they depend on too much mechanical precision, they will wear out and be replaced by computer recording.

HD recording is still in it's infancy, and while it is true that many fine projects are completed every day, each one of those albums were done on different systems that are incompatable! You can't just carry a tape back and forth from studio to studio if they are using different software and sequencing.

Some day we will see a standardization of format and software/hardware input devices, but until then most pros choose a system that is fast and compatable with other rooms.

I will be working with Pro tools for editing my next few projects. It is great.... but time is money in the studio. If you are not paying for time you can play around for hours, but at $100 an hour plus paying union musicians, it's still safer and cheaper to roll tape.

Dom Franco
 
When adats are dinosaurs and a hundred bucks apiece I will own a dozen of them. I love em.
 
When ADATS are a hundred bones apiece, a comparable PC setup will still be cheaper :D
 
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