CrowsofFritz
Flamingo!
I wouldn't charge different prices for different DAWs
I wouldn't charge different prices for different DAWs
Capt Hair
Jeff
yea, not at all^^^
I couldn't imagine too many people actually agreeing to a pay setup like that. You can't just charge one person $100 to do a recording on reaper and then $400 just because use using protools, when they both do the same thing. That's an extreme example, but you get the point. Don't deviate from rates, because you could piss a lot of people off and lose some potential clients
I couldn't imagine too many people actually agreeing to a pay setup like that. You can't just charge one person $100 to do a recording on reaper and then $400 just because use using protools, when they both do the same thing. That's an extreme example, but you get the point. Don't deviate from rates, because you could piss a lot of people off and lose some potential clients
witzendoz
Senior Member
It's all part of the Protools brainwash. Didn't you know it's impossible to record a top selling album unless you have protools.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
If you are good at what you do, people will want to pay. This is based on the product you have already put out. Most people (musicians) do not have a clue as to what gear costs, and even less why, or what it does. You can say "this cost's this much, I will charge you this much to use it", but it really means nothing if you can't prove that it will be of benefit to them. If you have talent, show it by your work. If you don't have work to show, then get some quality musicians in your studio and record them for free. Bands want to sound like 'Band X'. Give them a reason to think you are capable of getting it. Then take their money and run when you can't! LOL! JK. 
Jim Lad
New member
I get a chuckle every time someone says Protools is the industry standard or Shure 57 & 58 are industry standards.
That may sell (to a point) in the US but I think AKG & Sennheiser may have something to say about their place in the world markets oh and Steinberg...... they invented ASIO.
I work with Mixcraft 5 because I know it well and can see absolutely no need to change.
The client is impressed by the things it can do and the sound is no different from any DAW.
Capt Hair
Jeff
I don't know a single professional studio not using it, and it makes it easy for them if they decided to record something via protools and then send it to another studio to be mixed, it's in the same format and can be loaded on to be mixed in seconds. I'm interning in a studio and they don't even allow mixes that come in that aren't recorded on protools, they don't want to deal with any potential screw ups via the tracking session and saving the files properly from other software.
And on the rare occasion that they would allow someone to use another DAWs files, guess who was sitting there at the computer with the client spending time going through the whole project making sure all the 100s of files made it. Me...and it sucks, because every time something is always missing and the client gets pissed off when it's his fault for not doing this or that...simply put, it just gets stupid and no one wants to deal with it. And the only time they do is when they have an intern to deal with the BS
It's not that protools is any better than say logic, it's just easier if there is the one "industry standard" that everyone uses, and Pro tools for one reason or another is said to be that standard.
And on the rare occasion that they would allow someone to use another DAWs files, guess who was sitting there at the computer with the client spending time going through the whole project making sure all the 100s of files made it. Me...and it sucks, because every time something is always missing and the client gets pissed off when it's his fault for not doing this or that...simply put, it just gets stupid and no one wants to deal with it. And the only time they do is when they have an intern to deal with the BS
It's not that protools is any better than say logic, it's just easier if there is the one "industry standard" that everyone uses, and Pro tools for one reason or another is said to be that standard.
CrowsofFritz
Flamingo!
If it's in another format, couldn't you just ask them to send them as audio files (FLAC, WAV, etc.) instead of a different format?
Capt Hair
Jeff
That's generally what you have to ask for because obviously you don't want to be turning away potential clients just because they did something in garageband or something, but a lot of times in either the bounce or export process people will still lose things. It's beyond me lol, but it seems at least 3-4 times a week somebody comes in wanting to either do vocals over a beat they made or mix a project they recorded into garageband and they're missing tracks or they're wondering why things like automation didn't transfer right, and then sometimes things from logic just don't like to sync up with protools and you have to spend 45 minutes just trying to sync everything up. It just a lot nicer and easier if we can just open up their actual PT session and everything is right there.
CrowsofFritz
Flamingo!
Yeah I agree. This is why I think there should be an industry standard for this specific purpose. Or there should be something that would allow files in different formats to work with each other. But then Avid will lose money wont it hahaha.
witzendoz
Senior Member
Rubbish!
A lot of professional studios don't use it. This is what I mean about Brainwashing.
Alan.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
I think 'professional studio' is what need redefined here. Better product can be obtained in a less expensive studio, merely by an engineer who knows wtf he is doing. The quoted "professional studio", is very capable of producing crap, with their 'industry standard'. Been there, wasted money on it. Never again. A talented engineer who gives a shit, and knows how to use his gear/software, is worth far more in my eyes/ears.
witzendoz
Senior Member
I just got peeved of by the blanket statement: I don't know a single professional studio not using it.
That is exactly what Protools want you to believe and also what protools owners want clients to believe. All I can say if that's a true statement he does not know many Professional studios.
Protools does get used in my studio, but not by me, freelance engineers bring it in if they want it and I can supply 24 ins and outs for them via firewire. Personally I don't use it and don't intend to get it.
I can export tracks to protools no problem at all so some protools users track on my gear and then export the files to carry on working at home.
Alan.
That is exactly what Protools want you to believe and also what protools owners want clients to believe. All I can say if that's a true statement he does not know many Professional studios.
Protools does get used in my studio, but not by me, freelance engineers bring it in if they want it and I can supply 24 ins and outs for them via firewire. Personally I don't use it and don't intend to get it.
I can export tracks to protools no problem at all so some protools users track on my gear and then export the files to carry on working at home.
Alan.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
I do as well.
Jim Lad
New member
Me too.
That's exactly the point I was making when I noted that Steinberg invented ASIO.
They have been around for a very long time and have been used by many, many studios.
Capt Hair
Jeff
Key word "I" don't know any and the one I intern at doesn't and they gave me the reasons why they don't use anything else and I see the reasons week in and week out why there needs to be a "standard" if you will. I have no doubt there are people that use Logic or Cubase or what have you, but you'll find the majority of people using protools.
If you go to school for AE what do they teach you with?
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JimmyS1969
MOODerator
IMO, 'majority' is just left over from what once was the best product available. It does not make it the best. Who cares what anyone considers to be the best. The product produced is what matters. IMO, a business that would not allow product presented in another format, is not professional. I am not trying to disrespect the people you work for in any way Capt. We all have our own opinions. It just seems to me that the old standards of Protools being the industry standard, is based on hard headed old school guys who do not want to change or learn, or for that matter, buy the $600 program that translates the projects into their DAW of choice. Just like my Grandpa. He won't use a cordless drill. He would rather use the 100' extension cord and his old Craftsman 3/8" to fix the fence in the rain. Because it is his 'standard'. I would much rather pay a person that is skilled with any program. Or at least a cordless drill.
That being said, I do not have a problem with Protools, nor anyone who uses it, nor the fact that the majority of high end studios use it. It is just software. The industry standard thing is just seems ridiculous to condone anymore. At least as a standard that needs to be adhered to. When music is involved, there is absolutely no one way to do anything.
That being said, I do not have a problem with Protools, nor anyone who uses it, nor the fact that the majority of high end studios use it. It is just software. The industry standard thing is just seems ridiculous to condone anymore. At least as a standard that needs to be adhered to. When music is involved, there is absolutely no one way to do anything.
Capt Hair
Jeff
No offense taken ha, I really think my posts go completely read over and or just were simply replied to after reading the first sentence lol
. I never once said Pro tools was a better DAW than any other, they all do the same basic thing, it's a matter of workflow opinion. My point I was trying to raise is that there is a need for a standard in a market that is cluttered by probably 100 different types of DAWs across the world. We don't turn away clients, we ask them to get the WAV. files like I stated, the problem is always inexperienced people that don't know how to properly export or bounce a mix or just simply get all those files to the same place, which seems to be a large portion of the "industry" because anyone can just go download reaper or use garageband and start tracking without having any experience what so ever. Which is why it would be best if there was one "main" DAW that a majority of people use so there's no BS, you can simply open up the actual project file, no miss placed files, no sync errors, etc, and get straight to work. And at this point it IS protools, go into any professional studio that works in the box, and by professional I mean a person that has an actual registered business that is the career and main source of income of the owner and tell me they don't at least have protools in the facility...I'd love an example. By all means do what ever you want at home, but if you go into a place of business there seems to be a standard used, that's in any industry not just music.
It's all about workflow right? How is it a good time management and not a waste of time to have to sit at a computer trying to get PT files to work on Logic, vice vera, or trying to find all the files exported from cubase that are in 20 different places, sonar sync'd up with logic, etc.. If there was once again a..."standard" there'd hardly be an issue.
CrowsofFritz
Flamingo!
No offense taken ha, I really think my posts go completely read over and or just were simply replied to after reading the first sentence lol
My point I was trying to raise is that there is a need for a standard in a market that is cluttered by probably 100 different types of DAWs across the world. We don't turn away clients, we ask them to get the WAV. files like I stated, the problem is always inexperienced people that don't know how to properly export or bounce a mix or just simply get all those files to the same place, which seems to be a large portion of the "industry" because anyone can just go download reaper or use garageband and start tracking without having any experience what so ever. Which is why it would be best if there was one "main" DAW that a majority of people use so there's no BS, you can simply open up the actual project file, no miss placed files, no sync errors, etc, and get straight to work. And at this point it IS protools, go into any professional studio that works in the box, and by professional I mean a person that has an actual registered business that is the career and main source of income of the owner and tell me they don't at least have protools in the facility...I'd love an example. By all means do what ever you want at home, but if you go into a place of business there seems to be a standard used, that's in any industry not just music.
It's all about workflow right? How is it a good time management and not a waste of time to have to sit at a computer trying to get PT files to work on Logic, vice vera, or trying to find all the files exported from cubase that are in 20 different places, sonar sync'd up with logic, etc.. If there was once again a..."standard" there'd hardly be an issue.
^^^^THIS^^^^
I hate when people over read my posts too. It hasn't happened hear yet however.