They're done!

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Hey.. I just finished recording my bands 3 song demo. I'd like some opinions on the recording, and the songs too if you'd like. I wrote all the music too.

For everything.. I used a Behringer MX2004A into a Terratec Phase 88 into Cubase. The plugins I used were primarily the Classic plugins made by that K-something company. For the drums.. I used 57's on the toms and snare, MK012's for overheads, and a D112 for the bassdrum. Guitars were with a 57. Bass, direct from a Peavey Firebass700. Vocals were done through a 57.

It's been like 5 months in the making.. but they're done. (our vocalist avoided recording)

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very emo. uhhh. the singer kinda reminds me of me........and i hate my voice and no longer sing because of it.

i dunno. it just sounds like you need more practice recording........guitar tone is alright.........but the drums are lacking.well they're both lacking, but i would put your energy into the drums before you worry about the guitars. the vocals dont sit well, they're about perfect volume, but they seem too loud...... too much low end maybe or maybe try some reverb.

you guys are very obviously talented, but not very original.
 
Thank you for the reply. This is my first time working with an interface.

Would you say it's more of a matter of how it's mixed/what I did to it? Or just stuff with mic placement and such.
 
first off. i was being an ass earlier. i shouldn't have been so blunt. i'm sorry for that.

i think it's probably a combination of both how you mixed it and mic placement. that's stuff that you just have to kind of learn through trial and error i think.

there are things that i normally do, but what i think works for me may totally suck for you. i typically put the drum mics at the minimum like 4 inches away from the toms and snare. and you're probably using spaced mics.......you should try the 2 other technics in this thread https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=114426

i haven't personally used the modified space overhead technique yet, but from the examples that guy gives, it obviously wins over most other techniques most of the time. i normally use the coincident technique. i need to try modified space though.

i also mid scoop the drums......i normally mid scoop the bass drum at like 3-400hz and the other drums are pretty much in the 200 to 400 hz range......that's what i do.........some other guy might tell you that i'm crazy........but i think it works for me........my drum sounds aren't great, but they're decent. i also like to use 2 mics on the bass drum. or a mic and a speaker with a floor tom between the bass drum and the speaker.

when eqing i dont raise more than like 6-8 db at the max and same with scooping. well normally i dont. i put roll offs on guitars at about 150hz and i put a roll off on bass guitar around 80 to 100 hz.

i think maybe you need to add more bass drum and toms into your mix.


i'm sure you've read a lot of this stuff on this website before. so i'm done.
again. sorry for being an ass. you're singer isn't nearly as bad as me, although he would benefit from lessons.
 
Well.. for the drums. I placed the mics on the toms probably 2-3 inches away. On the bass drum.. I actually did scoop out at 300hz, I also gave a little raise at 1700hz. I found a nice sounding click there. For the bass, I rolled off at 80 or 100hz. I forget which. Guitars at 150hz.

I did alot of things that you did. Heh. I guess I just didn't get the best sounds in the first place.

Being blunt is usually a better thing, it gets the point across much better. :)

Thank you for at least replying. No one else seems to be doing so.

Our singer.. he's really good with choral stuff. His voice poops out alot during recording, though. He also doesn't come up with the best of vocal lines either.

I was actually happy with how this came out.. the drums sound great compared to how they sounded before. Heh. I guess you can't please everyone. But again, thanks.
 
Hey geet, This style is'nt really my bag either so I'm gonna reserve my comments on the tunes themselves. As far as the mix goes I'm a fan of simple solutions. So lets look at making THIS recording work better instead of re-recording. I don't think that it's that far off. I think that the vocals are a little too far up front making them sound a bit on top of the rest of the mix kinda of disembodied from it similar to a kare....karo....Care-e-oak-e(how the fuck do you spell that?) effect. Bring the vocals down a bit with maybe just a touch of reverb, not too much just enough to give them a sense of space you don't want to really hear the reverb you want to feel it (does that make sense?). The snare is a litttle anemic maybe bring it up a HAIR or two and trim it some where in the treble region, it needs just a little more of a Body. I'm not a proponent of huge up front drums so I would personaly not bring it up to far but I still want to hear it a little bit more. Start with that, hope you find this helpful ,and remember small gradual changes.
 
i record that kind of music quite often, that whole bay area emo punk thing.

i didnt mind the tunes, sounds like your singer was nervous.

the recording was good for your first man.
when i was listening i could choose to hear any instrument and it would be in the mix.

you just need to eq and compress some things differently, then remix.
or, figure out what you dont like about it, and rerecord it with those things in mind, id do the latter.

experiment.

peace
 
i agree with the messages above.

on learning to drown, you did well finding space in the mix for the lead vocal to sit, but its too loud. around 1:24 to 1:45 (the chorus) the vocal is right where it should be, but then the problem resurfaces when you go to the next verse.

you've got the same problem on the next song also.
 
man, am I listening to the same songs as everyone else?

I've just listened to all three and I'd say they have a professional feel to them. It reminds me a lot of what my son listens to. If this is your first time, this is damn good.

Right now I'm listening to "Learning to Drown". The balance is pretty good. The kit could be brought forward a bit. Guitars and panning, nice. The vocal was out front but not over bearing and the overall imaging was sufficiently wide. I didn't hear a lot offending frequencies. The vocals at the end are excellent...

At the end of Start Again the whispering was sibilancy...

The tunes have a certain controlled rawness that is refreshing. I wouldn't recommend changing much... am I listening to same tunes as eveyone else? (Learning to Drown, Walking and Start Again)

Good job ! ! !
 
On Learning to Drown...

I agree with Sonixx. The only suggestions (if you want to be closer to perfection) I'd make are to lessen the pitch of the hi-hat a bit (if it's seperately mic'd). If it's an overhead, lower the pitch slightly. Also, I think the toms need more definition, or attack. I know it's emo, but they're still a bit too muddy. If you can move the mics a bit closer, or tune them a bit higher I think it might sound good. The vocals are also a tad too loud, otherwise it's nice.

It sounds like you've got a low-toned saxaphone in the chorus, or maybe I've just been listening to too much DMB. Sounds cool. :)
 
Thanks, guys. It's refreshing to hear comments other than my band/the people around here.

I think I might consider remixing them after I get back from my tour, which I leave for next Wednesday.

The hi-hat is all picked by the OH and snare mics.

I would also like the clear up that I have done recordings before.. I just never did anything with them. I knew that you put a mic in front of something.. then hit record. I didn't use compression or anything. I've gathered alot of information from this messageboard. I mean ALOT. Heh.

Thanks again. If I do remix these.. I'll post them up again.
 
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