the tone of tubeness

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You've seen the plugins. You've seen the tubes. You've heard the word "warmth."

What does it all mean?

If it doesn't exist, then why are there so many plugins that claim to add it to any signal that passes through it? Some plugins are made only for adding warmth. Thats it!

I mean, some guy sat down and wrote a bunch of code that does something. The company he works for claims it adds "warmth" (the tone of tubeness). If warmth doesn't actually exist, what the hell does the plugin do?

Why do people say that tube amps sound better?

Why do people say that analog sounds better?

Why do they call it "warmth"

I love black people
 
I love black people too!!!!

Basically most of the tube hype is pure bullsh*t. I'm not very good at all this technical stuff, but I'll try my best. Somebody please correct me where I am wrong. Here's the deal, there are two standard ways you can amplify a signal: tubes or transistors. Tubes are an older technology. They are very inefficient and distort on the first harmonic, but it was the only way of doing things for many years. Then transistors came along. Transistors were supposed to be a better technology because they distort on the second or third harmonic rather than the first and they were much more efficient. They are also cheaper to produce. So everyone in the audio community thinks transistors are hot shit because they pass a more acurate signal and all that cool stuff.

Then why does everyone want to stick tubes in everything now? Well, there are a couple of reasons. Tubes distort on the first harmonic, but many people find this to be a desirable and pleasant thing, even though it is less accurate. Tubes also take clipping a lot better than transistors. You can "push" or "drive" a tube amp beyond it's capability and it will produce a pleasant natural distortion. This doesn't sound as pleasant with transistors. The "retro" thing is also very popular right now so many people are trying to reproduce sounds of eras when tubes were the norm.

The silly thing about all of this is that it is not really relevant to the world of the home recordist. First of all, good solid state gear is a lot cheaper to produce than good tube gear, so you are going to get a lot better sound out of your budget solid state preamp than you would a budget tube preamp. Almost all of the gear that sells for under a grand and has a tube in it is a gimmick and a waste of money. Home recordists often find that the stuff they record sounds tiny, harsh, brittle, cold and a number of other catch phrases. They mistakingly think that using tube gear can "warm" up their sound, when really the fact is that they are just crappy engineers using crappy budget gear and sticking tubes in it is not going to help a thing. Some of the most elitist sought after preamps, like Neve, are solid state and you won't find anyone saying they sound tiny or cold.

I don't know where this whole myth got started, but I think it has something to do with guitarists. You see, guitar amps are about the only exception to this whole thing. Since guitar amps are almost always pushed to clipping and even beyond to high levels of distortion, it only makes sense that tubes will sound better because they produce a much better clipping sound. So every guitarist knows that if he wants his guitar to sound good he has to use a tube amp. I think this philosophy just got carried over to home recording when guitarists started laying down licks on their portastudios and wanted it to sound better, so they figured they needed tubes.

I'm not a computer programmer so I don't know how the tube plugins work, but imagine the more expensive ones probably use some sort of mathmatical algorithm to replicate the sound of a tube slightly clipping or distorting on the first harmonic. The cheap ones probably just act more like a low pass filter to nock some of the harshness off the top end.

The whole analog vs. didgital thing is an entirely different topic that has been discussed frequently on these boards.
 
noiseportrait said:
First of all, good solid state gear is a lot cheaper to produce than good tube gear, so you are going to get a lot better sound out of your budget solid state preamp than you would a budget tube preamp. Almost all of the gear that sells for under a grand and has a tube in it is a gimmick and a waste of money. Home recordists often find that the stuff they record sounds tiny, harsh, brittle, cold and a number of other catch phrases. They mistakingly think that using tube gear can "warm" up their sound, when really the fact is that they are just crappy engineers using crappy budget gear and sticking tubes in it is not going to help a thing.

. . . So every guitarist knows that if he wants his guitar to sound good he has to use a tube amp. I think this philosophy just got carried over to home recording when guitarists started laying down licks on their portastudios and wanted it to sound better, so they figured they needed tubes.


Bravo.


Oh, and I love black people, too.
 
Tristan Grigsby made me an "Honorary Black Man" back in the 90's so I could pick up more white chicks. :D
 
noiseportrait said:

I'm not a computer programmer so I don't know how the tube plugins work, but imagine the more expensive ones probably use some sort of mathmatical algorithm to replicate the sound of a tube slightly clipping or distorting on the first harmonic.

so........ you mean...... the tone of tubeness?
 
Massive Master said:
Tristan Grigsby made me an "Honorary Black Man" back in the 90's so I could pick up more white chicks. :D


My momma was a black man once!
 
What does it all mean?
It means they suck and they know it, so they come up with a plugin to get the sound that we already had back in 1984.

Why do people say that tube amps sound better?
Because tube guitar amps do sound better than trannies. But I would rather have transistors for PA amps and monitor amps.

Why do people say that analog sounds better?
Because it does.

Why do they call it warmth?
Because that is how the equipment colors the sound.
 
Because they are hot to the touch ..when on of course..Hence the whole warmth thing..If you use a plugin to warm up..just put your hand on the monitor screen,its very very suttle...Ahhhh there it is the warmth... I could have been black in a previous life



Don
 
Yeah, the secret to the tube plugins it that they use up an incredible amount of bandwidth therefore heating up your cpu to it's full capacity. The heat from the cpu then in turn "warms" up your tracks. It's just simple thermodynamics, I don't know why I didn't see it before.
 
noiseportrait said:
Yeah, the secret to the tube plugins it that they use up an incredible amount of bandwidth therefore heating up your cpu to it's full capacity. The heat from the cpu then in turn "warms" up your tracks. It's just simple thermodynamics, I don't know why I didn't see it before.

And being that we live in Florida we know our themodynamics!Bask in the warmth




Don
 
reel buzzer said:
What does it all mean?
It means they suck and they know it, so they come up with a plugin to get the sound that we already had back in 1984.

Why do people say that tube amps sound better?
Because tube guitar amps do sound better than trannies. But I would rather have transistors for PA amps and monitor amps.

Why do people say that analog sounds better?
Because it does.

Why do they call it warmth?
Because that is how the equipment colors the sound.

But the current argument is that the particular sound you just described doesn't exist therefore you are WRONG because there is no possible way I could ever be right about anything
 
The current argument is to just call something what it is.

If you're refering to something that imparts harmonic distortions, then refer to it as: "Something that is warm in the sense that it produces harmonic distortions."


"Warm" is an adjective that relates to temperature; not sound.

Tubes are a means and not an end. By themselves, they have no sound or "tone." If employed a certain way within a design, they can impart harmonic distortions that you and many others (including myself) seem to like. Some of which can be good . . . but many of which can be just plain shitty, too -- even harsh -- depending on how they're used.

In fact, much of this "tone of tubeness" you describe has less to do with the tubes, and more to do with the use of transformers that most real tube designs employ. Some people refer to that as the sound of "iron." It could also be thought of as a slight smearing of transients due to a slower slew rate. Perhaps even a certain way a good transformer will effect the load a mic sees.

But I don't know anything about this crap, so I'm shuttin' my yap.
 
Yep, the tone of tubeness is the way tubes create harmonic distortions and I'll call it warmth because I can. WARMTH can be emulated with cheap dogshit vst plugins just like I said. I guess it exists thank you and goodnight.
 
Harmonic distortions can be emulated with a plugin. Warmth can't.

You can call harmonic distortions "warmth," and use the two concepts interchangeably if you'd like, and if it makes you happy. That doesn't make it accurate.
 
The Seifer said:
...there is no possible way I could ever be right about anything
That's the first correct thing I've ever seen you post......... congratulations!

The first step is admitting the problem... the second step is solving it... for that, I recommend euthanasia.....
 
But, what really is a BLACK person? How many of you have ever actually seen a black person? I mean actually black. What is the true definition of BLACK? I personally am sure of the fact that there is really no such thing as a black person. All are just various shades of the color BROWN. Light brown, yellowish-brown, reddish, dark to very dark brown..greyish brown....I mean black is black and not a shade of brown. Black is just the absence of all color. There are no truly BLACK people. So..I love people of all shades of BROWN. Now, back to this discussion on TUBE WARMTH.
 
Well . . . black people are warm.

So I think I'm just going to call anything that sounds warm "black."

Makes sense, doesn't it?

I want my tracks to sound black.

Which brings up a few other questiosn: I'm wearing a black shirt. When people ask me what color shirt I'm wearing, do I say "warm?" or can I say: "African American?"

Doesn't matter, I guess. I suppose I could just say "tube," since tube=warm=black. I'm wearing a tube shirt.
 
The Seifer said:
Yep, the tone of tubeness is the way tubes create harmonic distortions and I'll call it warmth because I can.

I'm going to call this pebble a mountain, because I can.


HEY EVERYBODY, I CAN PICK UP A MOUNTAIN!
 
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