The RNC of AD/DA Converters!

[CarmenC]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Well.....

The converters in the DA-30 are the stuff of Behringer legend. Ask Harvey G. about that, IIRC, he uses a Lucid w/ his DA-30.

It shouldn't be any surprise that a more recent, dedicated converter would sound better, just as a result of the chips used.

IMHO, a lot of the high-end audiophile stuff is 90% marketing, so should it be any surprise that a $120 box does just as well? Certainly the components themselves are dirt cheap.

In any case, why would you trust a forum dedicated to a company that sells a modified version of the item in question at a high markup, along with replacement power supplies and cables? Doesn't that raise any doubt about a vested interest in promoting this product?

Are you saying that all the people on that forum are employees of that company? Or that they're all morons who have never heard marketing hype before? Did you read it?
The company wasn't in this business until people from the forum asked if the company would do it.
The company is turning down business because they can't keep up with orders.
This company does not sell the replacement power supplies.
Radio Shack does.
Did you read the forum at all? Or make a snap judgement because it's easy to type one?
The company (The Bolder Cable Co.) is just one of many that does the mods.
I gave a link on my first post to a page that shows how to do the mods yourself. Pics and all...
here it is again...
http://www.interlog.com/~cfraser/DIO.htm
There is a community on Yahoo (DIOMODS)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DIOmods
that does nothing but discuss the quality of, and mods to, this product.
Are they all just morons who blindly believe hype?
It wasn't the idea of the Bolder cable co. to do these mods, they were asked to by people who didn't want to try it themselves.
You don't need the forum for anything other than to share info,
which is the point...isn't it.
The Bolder Cable company is just that...a hi-end cable company.
They do the mod on the side. Check their web site.
There's no mention of DI/O mods.
I don't just trust 1 forum. I investgate many. It's the individuals who have heard, tried, and modded this product that I trusted enough to buy an unmodified one and check it out.
I'm a Electronics Tech by day.
I can, and probably will, do any mods myself.
About $40.00 in parts, a soldering iron and some time on my part. No sweat.
They do the mods for people who don't want (are afraid to) to do it themselves.
You said that IYHO, 90% of hi-end audio is marketing.
Do you really think Pro-Audio isn't?
I'd say 99%.
Is an LA-2A worth $3000?
If you read the forum, you would see the equipment these people have.
All I said was, these people are selling their $2000 DAC's and using DI/O.
I bought a DI/O and found out for myself.
My experience is that there MUCH better than the DA-30. The people on the other forum (who have much more experience in high- end audio DAC's than I do) say it's better than there high- end DAC's.
I dont care if you believe them. Believe what you want.
I was just pointing out what they said and my experience with the unit.
This is the link about the history of this unit in the audio community and how to do the mods, where to get the parts, etc.
http://www.interlog.com/~cfraser/DIO.htm
Do what you like.
I was just trying to pass on info on what ALOT of people with experience think is a good deal.

It won't happen again.
C

 

[Dolemite]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Well.....

Are you saying that all the people on that forum are employees of that company? Or that they're all morons who have never heard marketing hype before? Did you read it?
The company wasn't in this business until people from the forum asked if the company would do it.
The company is turning down business because they can't keep up with orders.

Whatever...but what would you expect Alan Hyatt to be up to on the "Studio Projects/PMI Audio Forum" if such a thing existed (no offense Alan - just a convenient example )?

Selling a slightly modified $120 item for $400...hmmm, do you think there's some profit in there? No, no...they're just doing it all for charity right?

Did you read the forum at all?

Yep.

You said that IYHO, 90% of hi-end audio is marketing.
Do you really think Pro-Audio isn't?
I'd say 99%.

If hifi is 90% marketing, I'd put pro audio at 60%. I mean, these people spend $5000 on a DAC, or CD Transport, whatever, and the analog I/Os aren't even balanced! Does that make any sense to you?

Is an LA-2A worth $3000?

To many people, yes. At least you don't have to worry about depreciation.

If you read the forum, you would see the equipment these people have.
All I said was, these people are selling their $2000 DAC's and using DI/O.
I bought a DI/O and found out for myself.
My experience is that there MUCH better than the DA-30. The people on the other forum (who have much more experience in high- end audio DAC's than I do) say it's better than there high- end DAC's.
I dont care if you believe them. Believe what you want.
I was just pointing out what they said and my experience with the unit.
This is the link about the history of this unit in the audio community and how to do the mods, where to get the parts, etc.
http://www.interlog.com/~cfraser/DIO.htm
Do what you like.
I was just trying to pass on info on what ALOT of people with experience think is a good deal.

It won't happen again.
C

Well, great...all I'm saying is that comparisons with an old DAT machine or audiophile DAC's (especially comparisons/reviews posted on a forum dedicated to a company with something to gain by promoting this thing) aren't terribly convincing or relevant from a recording perpective.

Do some Arny Krueger-style tests on the thing along side a good 24-bit soundcard or a Lucid and we'd really see where it stands.