scottboyher
New member
Is this what the old lady in Fried Green Tomatoes was trying to tell us? Anyway, continue..................
Garry Sharp
Lost Cause
...and it's nice to see you're using para's 
(I commented that you were writing a novel, didn't say you were wasting bandwidth by doing so)
Best wishes
Garry
(I commented that you were writing a novel, didn't say you were wasting bandwidth by doing so)Best wishes
Garry
RICK FITZPATRICK
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Rokket
Trailing Behind Again
RICK FITZPATRICK said:Thanks Gary.
Thanks Rokket. This is for you.
fitZ
Thanks. I saved it to my pc. I am going to work on this over the weekend!
RICK FITZPATRICK
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Rokket
Trailing Behind Again
Woooohoooo!RICK FITZPATRICK said:While you're at it, might as well work on the same one with REVERSED ROOTS
Thanks again! Now I have something to do this weekend!
RICK FITZPATRICK
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Rokket
Trailing Behind Again
I went ahead and deleted the other one. And saved this one...RICK FITZPATRICK said:Oops, forgot to reverse the 3rds and 7ths too!I'll edit it.
Damn, too late, here is the correct one. Haste makes waste.
Cool stuff! Thanks again, Rick!
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Only idiots don't know what a whammy is for!
Hello folks. Well, what can I say. Win some lose some. I made a stupid mistake in my REVERSED ROOT Chromatic doohicky. But I fixed it. Think of this as ear training. Move it to any string and think of which Chord form you are using. Then reverse it. Play this round of fifths in BOTH frames of reference, calling the root out loud...12 TIMES in the morning. 12 times at night, for a week, and I'll guarantee you will begin to see things you never thought about. THEN, move it up a string and memorize THOSE roots. THEN, up another string...well, you get the idea. Ok, where
was I........oh yea, cowboy land........
1961- YEEEEEEEEEEES,
schools out, summer is here, and I get to move home. Our new place is in Rancho Cordova California. About 8 miles from Folsom. HOTDANG, just got my license and I'm 16 years old. But still got no geetar! Oh well. Time to play.
Rancho was very cool. Lots of kids my age, lots of stuff to do to. Like go to Folsom Lake. Absolutely stunning. I get to drive there once in a while to swim. Water clear as ...well, water. Ha! Still is. If you ever get go there, do. Not as nice as Lake Tahoe, but still great. On the way, I pass what will be my new highschool in Folsom. Nice school. Hope I fit in. You know those feelings.
Summer nights in Sacramento are beautiful. I stay up late most nights listening to the radio. Pop radio stations in Sac are hip. I love it. Rock and roll is changing but I still love it. There are lots of new stars, and lots of guitar stuff that I can't wait to learn. But WHEN!!! After a couple of weeks, I settle in and roam around the neighborhood, meeting other kids and finding out the
"scene". There is Mather Air Force Base right up the street. Since my dad was in the navy, he has access rights even being retired. That means I do too! I go out to the base. Cool. They have the usual movie house, bowling alley, the commisary...cool, I can make a few bucks bagging groceries.. and a giant pool!!
I loved to swim. Most days, I'd go to the commisary in the morning and make about $20 and then go swimming or bowling. Too much fun. The pool is loaded with girls too. WOW! Hatchahatcha! Sixteen...my hormones are going nuts. And the American river too. 'Bout a half a mile away. By the time I walked to it I'd be burning up from the heat, but the river was ice cold and clear. Beautiful. But most of the time I was thinking about a guitar. I'd save for a week and then blow it on gas and movies. There was a drive in movie about a 1/4 mile away...man, compared to Whidbey, this place had everything. Everything but a dance hall. Where were the dances. Little did I know.
One night I get a call from my Aunt Pat. She lived in Oakland California. Her and my uncle had a veterenary hospital. He was a vet, and their janitor was going on vacation for two weeks. So they asked me if I would like to work for 2 weeks and make a little money. Cool. I loved my Aunt Pat.
She had money, a nice house and a BRAND NEW THUNDERBIRD!! Holy moly. Sure I said. I always liked going there because my cousingJackie was only a year younger than me, and we had a ball when we got together. He played piano too, which I always wanted to learn. Hmmm.
The next day dad takes me there. Two hour trip to the Bay area. Man it was good to get out of that valley heat. The bay looked great and the air was cool. Weather was nice in the summer there. Jackie and I spend the weekend doing all kinds of fun stuff...swimming at the WMCA, skating, fooling around on the piano...and then there was the PARTY!! Saturday night they were throwing an adult party with lots of music, food, dancing and BOOZE. Hahahah. First time I got really drunk...we snuck a bottle down into the basement...Jack Danials I think.....oh my head. But kids recover quick. Besides, there was fun to be had.
I learn the job routine pretty quick. The days go by fast too. Lots to do after work. Movies, etc. My aunt liked me. She smoked, and I was trying out stuff. Smoking looked cool. She gives me a pack of cigs. Wow. I feel like an adult. She asks if Jackie and I would like to take the Thunderbird
to the Drive In on Friday night.
Its a 1961 Cobalt blue convertable. HOLY SHIT! Do I want to WHAT??? Does a bear shit in the....you know. Of FUCKING COURSE!! She knew. And grinned. What a ball. She gives us a Twenty and says have fun. We do. LOTS of it. After the movie, we cruise the local Hamburger hangout. Tons of girls and cars and BAD MOFO's with slicked back hair, black leather jackets, etc. Motorcycle club dudes. I was nervous. We don't stay long.
The end of the second week comes quick. Time passes fast when you are having fun. Even work wasn't bad. Lots of animals, and great lunches at nice restaurants. My folks are typical military with not much money. This is heaven. Last day, and its PAYDAY!! YES YES. My aunt is very generous. She says, "you did a great job. Now, I can either pay you or buy you something
you really want. THE MAGIC WORDS!! Visions of guitars are rolling through my head. "I want an electric guitar Aunt Pat". No problem. Lets look in the paper. Like I said, I was never around guitars much, so I really didn't know anything about them. What brands, what colors etc etc. I knew what I wanted though. I wanted a black Fhole with white purfling. Didn't matter the brand, if it looked like that Sears catalog special, I'd be happy.
We crused the want ads. Wow. Theres six or seven for sale. But they are expensive. What about an amp too. hmmmm, never thought about that one. Damn. I couldn't have made much money. I mean, minimum wage was a buck an hour. Crap. I see one with an amp and its only a mile away. Cool. But its $400. My aunt looks and says, lets go look. My heart stops. Then starts
beating out of my chest. Naw, couldn't happen in a lifetime. I'm not that lucky. We drive in the Thunderbird.
The guy is on the porch and says come on in. We walk through the door...OH MY GOD!! Its FUCKING BEAUTIFUL. Exactlly what I want. A jet black F hole with white purfling. Naw, this isn't happening. I pinch myself. "You want to try it out?" he says. WHO? ME? Gulp. Now, I never held an electric guitar, let alone pluck one, or strum. What do I do? "Heres a pick" he says. I take the pick. My Aunt is grinning. I am shaking. Over the shoulder with the strap, and now what. Oh, want to plug it in?" he says. PLUG IT IN? OH SHIT. I hadn't even noticed this giant box in the corner. White with black grill cloth. Hmmm, whats that big chrome thing on the floor
next to it with a red light and a cord coming out? You gotta be fucking shitting me. THATS THE AMP? Might as well been a stack of marshalls. Hahahahaha, it was really small compared to amps these days, but it was a fucking monster to me.
He plugs it in. Then reaches over to the other side......wha the...?? Another cord? Yea" he says. Stereo. WHAT DID YOU SAY? Stereo. He's crazy. There's no such thing...I mean...what the fuck is stereo? He turns on the amp and runs his nails across the strings ......"BRIDDDDINGGGGGGGG...G G G G G G h Gha wa wa wa !
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT SOUND? "Vibrato" he says. HOLY FUCK! I've never heard something sound so BIG, SO COOL< ......I'm haveing a dream...my heart is beating, the room is vibrating ...IN STEREO!!! I WANT IT!! My aunt walks off to talk to him...I'm haveing visions of rock and roll stars..hahaha! thats it....PULLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEESE ...,my Aunt walks in the room...Does
that fill the bill? OH YES!! ..Its yours. I faint. Almost. I can't be alive. This aint happening. She pulls out her checkbook. I sweat. This deal isn't happening..is it? It is? FUCK... a guitar!!! WOW
He takes the check and says..here is the case, picks, a guitar book and a tuning fork. Holy cow, the whole kit and kabootal. AND, lets put the amp together. I didn't even notice. Stereo speaker boxes....holy moly. The amp looked like an old Macintosh..chrome chassi with a black expanded
metal cover over the tubes. Those pointy knobs and a big red light. Two inputs, and two speaker outputs. The amp slipped into one of the bottom of the back of one of the speakers, then the other snapped over it to enclose the amp. Wow, it was even on wheels. I was in heaven.
We load it up and head for home. I don't sleep all night. Just stare and strum nothing. I'm numb. I try to finger some notes. I have clubs for fingers. They don't move like musicians fingers. Clumbsy,
un-subtle, clubs. I don't even plug it in yet. Its late and I don't want to wake my Aunt. My shirt sleeve catches on something.......what the hell is that? I was so in shock I hadn't even noticed this long, metal bar coming out of..what do you call it? The bridge? And whats that spring there
for. He hadn't shown me that....what does it do. I touch it and it feels springy. I look.....wha the..hmmmmmm. I strum and push the bar....WOW!
BHWANGGGGGGOOOWWWOHHHHHHHAH!! The pitch drops. I move it back and forth..holy shit. Whats that for? Hmmmm....theres four knobs too! What do those do...man, what a jerk. I was so shocked, I really hadn't even looked at everything on the guitar..Two giant chrome pickups, and a white pickgaurd...hmmm...theres a switch too...bet it selects the pickups. I can't wait to try it out tomorrow. Chrismas in the summer. Thats what it was. I was in heaven. I finally had my first electric guitar. Things were looking up.
Well folks, here it is midnight again. Time for bed and a question.
What brand of guitar do you think this was? To this day I've never seen another. I sold it for $50 about a year later. What a moron.
Here is another question? What scaletone 7th chord is a half diminished chord. And what scaletone chord in the same key is enharmonic to it with no root?
Ok folks, thats all for now. Tune in same time, same station, for another episode of theJourney.
fitZ
Hello folks. Well, what can I say. Win some lose some. I made a stupid mistake in my REVERSED ROOT Chromatic doohicky. But I fixed it. Think of this as ear training. Move it to any string and think of which Chord form you are using. Then reverse it. Play this round of fifths in BOTH frames of reference, calling the root out loud...12 TIMES in the morning. 12 times at night, for a week, and I'll guarantee you will begin to see things you never thought about. THEN, move it up a string and memorize THOSE roots. THEN, up another string...well, you get the idea. Ok, where
was I........oh yea, cowboy land........
1961- YEEEEEEEEEEES,
schools out, summer is here, and I get to move home. Our new place is in Rancho Cordova California. About 8 miles from Folsom. HOTDANG, just got my license and I'm 16 years old. But still got no geetar! Oh well. Time to play.Rancho was very cool. Lots of kids my age, lots of stuff to do to. Like go to Folsom Lake. Absolutely stunning. I get to drive there once in a while to swim. Water clear as ...well, water. Ha! Still is. If you ever get go there, do. Not as nice as Lake Tahoe, but still great. On the way, I pass what will be my new highschool in Folsom. Nice school. Hope I fit in. You know those feelings.
Summer nights in Sacramento are beautiful. I stay up late most nights listening to the radio. Pop radio stations in Sac are hip. I love it. Rock and roll is changing but I still love it. There are lots of new stars, and lots of guitar stuff that I can't wait to learn. But WHEN!!! After a couple of weeks, I settle in and roam around the neighborhood, meeting other kids and finding out the
"scene". There is Mather Air Force Base right up the street. Since my dad was in the navy, he has access rights even being retired. That means I do too! I go out to the base. Cool. They have the usual movie house, bowling alley, the commisary...cool, I can make a few bucks bagging groceries.. and a giant pool!!
I loved to swim. Most days, I'd go to the commisary in the morning and make about $20 and then go swimming or bowling. Too much fun. The pool is loaded with girls too. WOW! Hatchahatcha! Sixteen...my hormones are going nuts. And the American river too. 'Bout a half a mile away. By the time I walked to it I'd be burning up from the heat, but the river was ice cold and clear. Beautiful. But most of the time I was thinking about a guitar. I'd save for a week and then blow it on gas and movies. There was a drive in movie about a 1/4 mile away...man, compared to Whidbey, this place had everything. Everything but a dance hall. Where were the dances. Little did I know.
One night I get a call from my Aunt Pat. She lived in Oakland California. Her and my uncle had a veterenary hospital. He was a vet, and their janitor was going on vacation for two weeks. So they asked me if I would like to work for 2 weeks and make a little money. Cool. I loved my Aunt Pat.
She had money, a nice house and a BRAND NEW THUNDERBIRD!! Holy moly. Sure I said. I always liked going there because my cousingJackie was only a year younger than me, and we had a ball when we got together. He played piano too, which I always wanted to learn. Hmmm.
The next day dad takes me there. Two hour trip to the Bay area. Man it was good to get out of that valley heat. The bay looked great and the air was cool. Weather was nice in the summer there. Jackie and I spend the weekend doing all kinds of fun stuff...swimming at the WMCA, skating, fooling around on the piano...and then there was the PARTY!! Saturday night they were throwing an adult party with lots of music, food, dancing and BOOZE. Hahahah. First time I got really drunk...we snuck a bottle down into the basement...Jack Danials I think.....oh my head. But kids recover quick. Besides, there was fun to be had.
I learn the job routine pretty quick. The days go by fast too. Lots to do after work. Movies, etc. My aunt liked me. She smoked, and I was trying out stuff. Smoking looked cool. She gives me a pack of cigs. Wow. I feel like an adult. She asks if Jackie and I would like to take the Thunderbird
to the Drive In on Friday night.
Its a 1961 Cobalt blue convertable. HOLY SHIT! Do I want to WHAT??? Does a bear shit in the....you know. Of FUCKING COURSE!! She knew. And grinned. What a ball. She gives us a Twenty and says have fun. We do. LOTS of it. After the movie, we cruise the local Hamburger hangout. Tons of girls and cars and BAD MOFO's with slicked back hair, black leather jackets, etc. Motorcycle club dudes. I was nervous. We don't stay long. The end of the second week comes quick. Time passes fast when you are having fun. Even work wasn't bad. Lots of animals, and great lunches at nice restaurants. My folks are typical military with not much money. This is heaven. Last day, and its PAYDAY!! YES YES. My aunt is very generous. She says, "you did a great job. Now, I can either pay you or buy you something
you really want. THE MAGIC WORDS!! Visions of guitars are rolling through my head. "I want an electric guitar Aunt Pat". No problem. Lets look in the paper. Like I said, I was never around guitars much, so I really didn't know anything about them. What brands, what colors etc etc. I knew what I wanted though. I wanted a black Fhole with white purfling. Didn't matter the brand, if it looked like that Sears catalog special, I'd be happy.
We crused the want ads. Wow. Theres six or seven for sale. But they are expensive. What about an amp too. hmmmm, never thought about that one. Damn. I couldn't have made much money. I mean, minimum wage was a buck an hour. Crap. I see one with an amp and its only a mile away. Cool. But its $400. My aunt looks and says, lets go look. My heart stops. Then starts
beating out of my chest. Naw, couldn't happen in a lifetime. I'm not that lucky. We drive in the Thunderbird.
The guy is on the porch and says come on in. We walk through the door...OH MY GOD!! Its FUCKING BEAUTIFUL. Exactlly what I want. A jet black F hole with white purfling. Naw, this isn't happening. I pinch myself. "You want to try it out?" he says. WHO? ME? Gulp. Now, I never held an electric guitar, let alone pluck one, or strum. What do I do? "Heres a pick" he says. I take the pick. My Aunt is grinning. I am shaking. Over the shoulder with the strap, and now what. Oh, want to plug it in?" he says. PLUG IT IN? OH SHIT. I hadn't even noticed this giant box in the corner. White with black grill cloth. Hmmm, whats that big chrome thing on the floor
next to it with a red light and a cord coming out? You gotta be fucking shitting me. THATS THE AMP?
Might as well been a stack of marshalls. Hahahahaha, it was really small compared to amps these days, but it was a fucking monster to me.He plugs it in. Then reaches over to the other side......wha the...?? Another cord? Yea" he says. Stereo. WHAT DID YOU SAY? Stereo. He's crazy.
There's no such thing...I mean...what the fuck is stereo? He turns on the amp and runs his nails across the strings ......"BRIDDDDINGGGGGGGG...G G G G G G h Gha wa wa wa !WHAT THE HELL IS THAT SOUND? "Vibrato" he says. HOLY FUCK! I've never heard something sound so BIG, SO COOL< ......I'm haveing a dream...my heart is beating, the room is vibrating ...IN STEREO!!! I WANT IT!! My aunt walks off to talk to him...I'm haveing visions of rock and roll stars..hahaha! thats it....PULLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEESE ...,my Aunt walks in the room...Does
that fill the bill? OH YES!! ..Its yours. I faint. Almost. I can't be alive. This aint happening. She pulls out her checkbook. I sweat. This deal isn't happening..is it? It is? FUCK... a guitar!!! WOW
He takes the check and says..here is the case, picks, a guitar book and a tuning fork. Holy cow, the whole kit and kabootal. AND, lets put the amp together. I didn't even notice. Stereo speaker boxes....holy moly. The amp looked like an old Macintosh..chrome chassi with a black expanded
metal cover over the tubes. Those pointy knobs and a big red light. Two inputs, and two speaker outputs. The amp slipped into one of the bottom of the back of one of the speakers, then the other snapped over it to enclose the amp. Wow, it was even on wheels. I was in heaven.
We load it up and head for home. I don't sleep all night. Just stare and strum nothing. I'm numb. I try to finger some notes. I have clubs for fingers. They don't move like musicians fingers. Clumbsy,
un-subtle, clubs. I don't even plug it in yet. Its late and I don't want to wake my Aunt. My shirt sleeve catches on something.......what the hell is that? I was so in shock I hadn't even noticed this long, metal bar coming out of..what do you call it? The bridge? And whats that spring there
for. He hadn't shown me that....what does it do. I touch it and it feels springy. I look.....wha the..hmmmmmm. I strum and push the bar....WOW!
BHWANGGGGGGOOOWWWOHHHHHHHAH!! The pitch drops. I move it back and forth..holy shit. Whats that for? Hmmmm....theres four knobs too! What do those do...man, what a jerk. I was so shocked, I really hadn't even looked at everything on the guitar..Two giant chrome pickups, and a white pickgaurd...hmmm...theres a switch too...bet it selects the pickups. I can't wait to try it out tomorrow. Chrismas in the summer. Thats what it was. I was in heaven. I finally had my first electric guitar. Things were looking up.
Well folks, here it is midnight again. Time for bed and a question.
What brand of guitar do you think this was? To this day I've never seen another. I sold it for $50 about a year later. What a moron.
Here is another question? What scaletone 7th chord is a half diminished chord. And what scaletone chord in the same key is enharmonic to it with no root?
Ok folks, thats all for now. Tune in same time, same station, for another episode of theJourney.
fitZ
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
timmerman
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Hi Rick,
Okay so the journey is learning theory, Cool!!
Do I know all of that than? Of course not, you can never know it all, and I do enjoy your posts, although it would be a lot easier if we were in one room and just show these things to each other find reading these grafics a bit 
I thought for a moment you were on a different level with your "journey idea", so in a way it is the nuts and bolts what you are talking about, the nuts and bolts of theory instead of the gear stuff which we seem to love here eh
Okay please do carry on, and I will enjoy reading it in the meantime, and hopefully we will get some helpful and enjoyable comments and interuptions in the meantime.
Cheers,
Eddie
Okay so the journey is learning theory, Cool!!
Do I know all of that than? Of course not, you can never know it all, and I do enjoy your posts, although it would be a lot easier if we were in one room and just show these things to each other
find reading these grafics a bit I thought for a moment you were on a different level with your "journey idea", so in a way it is the nuts and bolts what you are talking about, the nuts and bolts of theory instead of the gear stuff which we seem to love here eh
Okay please do carry on, and I will enjoy reading it in the meantime, and hopefully we will get some helpful and enjoyable comments and interuptions in the meantime.
Cheers,
Eddie
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Hello Timmerman. Hey, thanks for the vote of confidence. I was really intimidated about doing this. And btw, those graphics were teasers. The journey will relate eventually. And it REALLY is a journey if you think about it. When you reach my age, you will see. Its all about opening doors. If you don't open a door, you won't see the ones behind it. And there are PLENTY I've never opened.
And btw, I was a gear slut myself once. Now its recording gear. To me, the ULTIMATE guitar gear is what you have in your head. And really, I only have one thing in mind here. Thats to illustrate the tools to make a Master Key to the doors. If you have a Master key, you can open ALL the doors.
Also, forgive my little stories here. I know EVERYONE has their own journey. But like I said, its for my own purpose. It helps me remember the paths to the doors
fitZ
And there are PLENTY I've never opened.And btw, I was a gear slut myself once. Now its recording gear. To me, the ULTIMATE guitar gear is what you have in your head.
And really, I only have one thing in mind here. Thats to illustrate the tools to make a Master Key to the doors. If you have a Master key, you can open ALL the doors. Also, forgive my little stories here. I know EVERYONE has their own journey. But like I said, its for my own purpose. It helps me remember the paths to the doors
fitZ
timmerman
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Hi Rick,
Yes that Master Key eh Healthy mind, lots of love and..............a vision how to move forwards and to take others with you on your path as you are on your way up [or down for that matter ]
Well, once again, I think we like to read those little stories, have to keep each other entertained eh? That is why we are here for and also to pick up some things from each other wheter it is gear, the weatherforcast, how to clean your strings, how to get that perfect haircut or..........
Oh your first question remember? I thought your original question was "What is the key which does contain an E#" Well that would be the key of F# major, but yes, you did not ask that...............you see, funny how I can sometimes read things into people's questions and they never asked them in the first place. In fact I was thinking about this one late last night.
Oh well, so we will sit back and enjoy the read..............
Cheers,
Eddie
Yes that Master Key eh
Healthy mind, lots of love and..............a vision how to move forwards and to take others with you on your path as you are on your way up [or down for that matter ]Well, once again, I think we like to read those little stories, have to keep each other entertained eh? That is why we are here for and also to pick up some things from each other wheter it is gear, the weatherforcast, how to clean your strings, how to get that perfect haircut or..........
Oh your first question remember? I thought your original question was "What is the key which does contain an E#" Well that would be the key of F# major, but yes, you did not ask that...............you see, funny how I can sometimes read things into people's questions and they never asked them in the first place. In fact I was thinking about this one late last night.
Oh well, so we will sit back and enjoy the read..............
Cheers,
Eddie
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Hey Eddie, sorry for the screen name earlier. My manners approach zero sometimes. Ah yes, the E# question... First time I ran into that it confounded me. That was years ago. To tell you the truth, I am NOT a reader. So once learned, filed away only to be remembered when laying out the scales for here....thats why I asked really. "I" wanted to know what YOU guys knew about these sort of things. See, I really don't know crap compared to readers. So you see, this is simply a ploy to pick YOUR brains without feeling stupid
Cheers
fitZ
Ah yes, the E# question... First time I ran into that it confounded me. That was years ago. To tell you the truth, I am NOT a reader. So once learned, filed away only to be remembered when laying out the scales for here....thats why I asked really. "I" wanted to know what YOU guys knew about these sort of things. See, I really don't know crap compared to readers. So you see, this is simply a ploy to pick YOUR brains without feeling stupid Cheers
fitZ
timmerman
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Hi Rick,
Funny reading all this and seeing that you and some others are there as well at the same time, and then thinking "well who would post now what" without really feeling stupid or Well in fact that childish kind of mood is the best state of mind to be in to be honest, but that may be just me
Ooops sorry far off the journey, perhaps we should now go into Journey, you know that band which did songs like..................."I am waiting, for a Girl like You" or heck, wait a minute wasn't that Foreigner, you see it all get too
Anyway let me now stop before I wet myself completely
Eddie
Funny reading all this and seeing that you and some others are there as well at the same time, and then thinking "well who would post now what" without really feeling stupid or
Well in fact that childish kind of mood is the best state of mind to be in to be honest, but that may be just me Ooops sorry far off the journey, perhaps we should now go into Journey, you know that band which did songs like..................."I am waiting, for a Girl like You" or heck, wait a minute wasn't that Foreigner, you see it all get too
Anyway let me now stop before I wet myself completely
Eddie
HangDawg
bUnGhOlIo
I like the stories. Not much going on at work and they help pass the time.
timmerman
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Oh seems that Rick is taking the day off! Oh well the day is not done yet, here it is now 1.35pm so he may still turn up with another chapter of him growing up in the woods
Eddie
Eddie
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Not really. I've been transposing "Transmission throw out bearing Blues in C#. With a bit of "what the fuck am I doing" thrown in for good "measure". Modulate to the key of PMS for a round of Mean Woman Blues on top of it and you have the makings for CD song collecton titled "Old farts on batterys and other fun filled melodies".
fitZ
fitZ
timmerman
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heh Rick,
For an old fart I must say that they have given you powerful batteries at the start, since you seem to enjoy making long stories
Okay any more theory discoveries today? Or was it a bit of a dull day at your end?
Eddie
For an old fart I must say that they have given you powerful batteries at the start, since you seem to enjoy making long stories
Okay any more theory discoveries today? Or was it a bit of a dull day at your end?
Eddie
dragonworks
Banned
I II III IV V VI VII
Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do
1 9 3 11 5 13 7
1-3-5=MAJOR
1-b3-5=MINOR
1- #3- #5=AUGMENTED
1-b3-b5=DIMINISHED
1-3-5-7=MAJOR 7TH
1-3-5-b7=DOMINANT 7TH
1-b3-5-7=MINOR DOMINANT 7TH
1-3-5-7-9=MAJOR 9TH
1-b3-5-7-9=MINOR 9TH
1-3-5-7-11=MAJOR 11TH
1-3-5-7-13=MAJOR 13TH
1-3-b5=MAJOR W/FLATTED 5TH
ETC
C MAJOR SCALE
DO RE ME FA SO LA TI DO
C D E F G A B C
1-3-5 = C-E-G = CMAJOR
1-b3-5 = C-Eb-G = CMINOR
MAJOR SCALES
C D E F G A B C
G A B C D E F# G
D E F# G A B C# D
A B C# D E F# G# A
E F# G# A B C# D# E
B C# D# E F G# A# B
F G A Bb C D E F
Bb C D Eb F G A Bb
Eb F G Ab Bb C D Eb
Ab Bb C Db Eb F G Ab
Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C Db
Gb Ab Bb Cb Db Eb F Gb
TRIADS BUILT ON MAJOR SCALES
I II III IV V VI VII
MAJOR MINOR MINOR MAJOR MAJOR MINOR AUGMENTED
CM Dm Em FM GM Am B+
CHORD PROGRESSION FOR LIKE A ROLLING STONE
VERESE I-II-III-IV-V
C-Dm-Em-F-G
BRIDGE IV-V-IV-V-IV-III-II-I.......IV-V
F-G-F-G-F-Em-Dm-C........F-G
CHORUS I-IV-V
C-F-G
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Now to deal with the minor keys as I know them, remember this is classical
shit and the rules are made to be broken.
And we also must remember that dragonworks is a dummy and prone to human errors and typos.
So with that said, we venture forth. Minor keys are a little trickier although the scales are easy.
We will start with those.
The Aminor scale has no sharps or flats
A-B-C-D-E-F-G-A
Building chords 1-3-5, 1-b3-5 etc is derived from the major scales as described above.
If one takes time to notice, the C major scale has no sharps and flats,
the same as the A minor scale
Am is said to be the relative minor to C major
the C major scale is
C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C
with A being the sixth of the scale.
the Aminor scale being
A-B-C-D-E-F-G-A
It stands to reason that being the case
the sixth degree of any major scale is that major scales relative minor
So if we take G major
G-A-B-C-D-E-F#-G
the sixth being the E
then Em is the relative minor to G major and the Em scale is
E-F#-G-A-B-C-D-E
Therefore if one knows the major scales then one knows the minor scales.
here are the Majors with their relative minors
C-Am
G-Em
D-Bm
A-F#m
E-C#m
B-G#m
F-Dm
Bb-Gm
Eb-Cm
Ab-Fm
Db-Bbm
Gb-Ebm
Building triads (chords)on the minor scale
using the A minor scale.
I***II***III**IV***V**VI**VII
A***B***C***D***E***F***G***A
min min*Maj**Maj* Min**Maj*Maj
***********min*Maj **********
the IV and V can be either major or minor depending on the feel
one seeks. In most minor blues the IV and V would be minors.
The chords in the key of Aminor would then be
Am-Bm-C-Dm or Dmajor-Em or E major- Fmajor- Gmajor
House of the Rising Sun
I***III***IV***VI***I***III***V
Am*C****D***F***Am***C***E
one last look at the pentatonic scale(?)
in the key of A
A-C-D-E-G-A
If noticed this is just a Cmajor or an Aminor scale with a couple of notes left out.
If these notes are used to improvise in the key of A they will sound rockish
If these notes are used starting on the note C in the key of C they will sound countryish.
C-D-E-G-A-C
Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do
1 9 3 11 5 13 7
1-3-5=MAJOR
1-b3-5=MINOR
1- #3- #5=AUGMENTED
1-b3-b5=DIMINISHED
1-3-5-7=MAJOR 7TH
1-3-5-b7=DOMINANT 7TH
1-b3-5-7=MINOR DOMINANT 7TH
1-3-5-7-9=MAJOR 9TH
1-b3-5-7-9=MINOR 9TH
1-3-5-7-11=MAJOR 11TH
1-3-5-7-13=MAJOR 13TH
1-3-b5=MAJOR W/FLATTED 5TH
ETC
C MAJOR SCALE
DO RE ME FA SO LA TI DO
C D E F G A B C
1-3-5 = C-E-G = CMAJOR
1-b3-5 = C-Eb-G = CMINOR
MAJOR SCALES
C D E F G A B C
G A B C D E F# G
D E F# G A B C# D
A B C# D E F# G# A
E F# G# A B C# D# E
B C# D# E F G# A# B
F G A Bb C D E F
Bb C D Eb F G A Bb
Eb F G Ab Bb C D Eb
Ab Bb C Db Eb F G Ab
Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C Db
Gb Ab Bb Cb Db Eb F Gb
TRIADS BUILT ON MAJOR SCALES
I II III IV V VI VII
MAJOR MINOR MINOR MAJOR MAJOR MINOR AUGMENTED
CM Dm Em FM GM Am B+
CHORD PROGRESSION FOR LIKE A ROLLING STONE
VERESE I-II-III-IV-V
C-Dm-Em-F-G
BRIDGE IV-V-IV-V-IV-III-II-I.......IV-V
F-G-F-G-F-Em-Dm-C........F-G
CHORUS I-IV-V
C-F-G
_________________
Now to deal with the minor keys as I know them, remember this is classical
shit and the rules are made to be broken.
And we also must remember that dragonworks is a dummy and prone to human errors and typos.
So with that said, we venture forth. Minor keys are a little trickier although the scales are easy.
We will start with those.
The Aminor scale has no sharps or flats
A-B-C-D-E-F-G-A
Building chords 1-3-5, 1-b3-5 etc is derived from the major scales as described above.
If one takes time to notice, the C major scale has no sharps and flats,
the same as the A minor scale
Am is said to be the relative minor to C major
the C major scale is
C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C
with A being the sixth of the scale.
the Aminor scale being
A-B-C-D-E-F-G-A
It stands to reason that being the case
the sixth degree of any major scale is that major scales relative minor
So if we take G major
G-A-B-C-D-E-F#-G
the sixth being the E
then Em is the relative minor to G major and the Em scale is
E-F#-G-A-B-C-D-E
Therefore if one knows the major scales then one knows the minor scales.
here are the Majors with their relative minors
C-Am
G-Em
D-Bm
A-F#m
E-C#m
B-G#m
F-Dm
Bb-Gm
Eb-Cm
Ab-Fm
Db-Bbm
Gb-Ebm
Building triads (chords)on the minor scale
using the A minor scale.
I***II***III**IV***V**VI**VII
A***B***C***D***E***F***G***A
min min*Maj**Maj* Min**Maj*Maj
***********min*Maj **********
the IV and V can be either major or minor depending on the feel
one seeks. In most minor blues the IV and V would be minors.
The chords in the key of Aminor would then be
Am-Bm-C-Dm or Dmajor-Em or E major- Fmajor- Gmajor
House of the Rising Sun
I***III***IV***VI***I***III***V
Am*C****D***F***Am***C***E
one last look at the pentatonic scale(?)
in the key of A
A-C-D-E-G-A
If noticed this is just a Cmajor or an Aminor scale with a couple of notes left out.
If these notes are used to improvise in the key of A they will sound rockish
If these notes are used starting on the note C in the key of C they will sound countryish.
C-D-E-G-A-C