The Id

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It`s a long long road
from here to find out
Each step that you take
is just one more
that you leave behind.
you can make it some day,
and It`ll all be behind you.
many things will you find,
things wild and some may find rhyme.
bits of wisdom may fill your pockets,
dont ever throw them away.
be humble and fair,
yet always look with care.
and like the sign says at the gate,
before its too............ late.
"Mr. Please..................,
dont feed the Bears!"

:)
 
I think now we're basically saying the same thing, in that "good production" is whatever serves the song/artist the best. Where we differ seems to be that I think that sometimes "lo fi"/cheap/even "bad" production can serve the song/artist better than crystal clear sound, and you seem to disagree. I just think of the recordings of Robert Johnson. If he recorded in a fancy digital studio, would the songs sound any better?
 
Well, that's one that, as a blues freak, I've often thought about. I would have to say (re: the robert johnson question) that it probably wouldn't make much difference. A good example is Robert's close buddy Johnny Shines who recorded many Robert-esque tunes in the late 40s and into the 50s that had similar production quality. These tunes sounded great, as did the stuff he recorded into the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, many of which utilized the production techniques available at the time.

My general sentiment has already been pretty well expressed above: that the production has to serve the music, not the other way around. I've been listening to a lot of Daniel Johnston lately (including his record with Jad Fair) and I love both his early 4-track demo stuff and the later more "produced" studio records.

What people (both on the recording side and the listener side) tend to forget is there's more to "Lo-fi" than just being sloppy. Making a good lo-fi record is every bit as difficult as making a good record of any other type. It involves skill, not the abandonment of skill. Like anything else, there's good lo-fi and bad lo-fi.

And in the end it just comes down to: how does it make you *feel*?

Chris
 
Blue Bear,
I agree that "lo-fi" can be used as a cop out. To some of the bands that have the "anyone can start a band and put out a record attitude" I feel like saying "anyone but you". In pirateking's case, I think he did a good some capturing the vibe. I used to see and play in bands like this in basements and dives rather than venues with top notch equipment. I'm sure there is room for improvement, but I think the song sounded really good and ready to release. Of course I wasn't thinking this would be played on commercial radio.

Pirateking,
It seems your site is down. I've got 2 bucks to spare. I'll be emailing you.

Lo-fi is about attitude. Having the same attitude behind the mixing board as in the band. I'm getting too old for attitude, so I'm trying to learn hi-fi. :)
 
I had absolutely no trouble downloading,it was actually quite fast...but I did do it at 1:30 in the morning....is that a chick in the band?She looks like she might be hot...is she single?...got any naughty pics of her?....your music is,....well...odd...I like the guitar and vocal work,but the drums bother me,I don't know what it is...maybe too many vicodins tonight...I listened to all 4 tunes and I can't believe you got the nerve to charge money for the CD...I am a fan of dischordance and cacaphony but only when it's done on purpose,tell that chick to get nekkid and you may have something...in any case by the end of the forth song you kinda grew on me...like a fungus
 
w/a grain of salt?!? gotta eat a salt-shaker here... :o

ghost...

Timing problems... good energy... some good ideas...

by default...

A little tighter so far... the tom-tom is too loud... taking the place of the kick drum? Still overshadows everything in the track... actually, I believe you have some salvageable material there. Some things to be worked out in the drum department... but with some decent work on the arrangement, and recording, you could have something more people might be able to approach.

I do like that little, repeated scary guitar run (in the left speaker) before you do the three drum hits...

Okay... not to "pile on", or jump on your back, or flame you or anything-- here's an a'hole's take:

Yeah... it's easy to say "I meant to do that" (timing problems, for example) ... but how far do you stray from musical ideals? How far can you go, without reaching the point where people with no musicality, talent, or message could produce something exactly the same as yours? Could monkeys pick up the instruments and do something similar? Where's the artistic merit? What makes your recordings unapproachable by any other artist? Where's the value in them? It's easy to make a bad recording, IOW.

This just comes from a belief that value (in music, & art anyway) is mostly intrinsic--a piece of music is good not just because it's creative--but because it's not easily reproduced by the mass public. It takes a unique, creative vision to be sure... but the vision is upheld by artistry & musicality. Otherwise, you have what I call "disposeable entertainment".

Disposeable entertainment? Yeah... welcome to "Linkin Park"... enjoy your stay :)

Just thots. Piece.


Chad
 
glad this came back around-interesting music for sure-its on the discordant side but you all seem to be on the same page(or in the same book anyway)-and some really cool melodies-not a bad recording for live-or at least partially live-the drums seemed a little off in the "boat" tune-and I wished his tom was tuned to a different(lower) pitch. I think you could improve the recording without losing the aesthetic-theres ground to be given and taken in both directions. Some of the velvet undergrounds recordings are poor by any standard-but to me its like watching a black and white movie-the raw sound of it takes you more to the place where the artist is. Anyway-I liked it.
 
Re: Re: The Id

Blue Bear Sound said:
Well... from a recording perspective - YOU NEED THIS BBS...!

Stick around -- lots of info here to help improve your recording/mix quality...

As to the song style -- I suggest listening to The Violent Femmes -- compare your stuff to theirs and try and hear why their stuff works and your stuff really doesn't.... this isn't meant as an insult -- but just to give you a goal to shoot for....!
Click to expand...

Damn beat me to it!! lol

Needs a lot of work, and this is coming from someone whose first recording sounded much worse than yours, but then again, we used a cassette deck and $10 radio shack mic! :p
 
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