Queue
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Ametth, Is that a mixoff at RO & ProRec? Can you post a url for the thread(s)? Is it too late to get in on it?
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ametth
Sir Cool of Coronado
Meshuggah
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Blatchford is the goddamned best song that ever spawned out of one of the members on this bbs.. Kneel down!!!!!!!!
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tdawgodopolus
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I live in a house full of pregnant women (none by me... I am staff member here at the house) so I couldn't listen to everything at a decent volume (well, I could... I did once and two came down screaming at me). Even at a lower volume, I was gently reminded to turn the music down.
Track A was the punchiest, most up front mix (man, all of your were not kidding about the vocals, but better to have the vocals up front than any instrument).
Track B was decent, but in the beginning there was a certain low end frequency which just stood out too much and made me take notice. I don't know if anyone else noticed it. Not as up front as A.
Track C seemed like the original. Wasn't as up-front as the prior two so I assumed it was.
Mr. Blue Bear... hey, as far as I'm concerned, I'm glad to see that you've chosen to prove that you do more than talk. I've always respected your advise.
That's it.
Track A was the punchiest, most up front mix (man, all of your were not kidding about the vocals, but better to have the vocals up front than any instrument).
Track B was decent, but in the beginning there was a certain low end frequency which just stood out too much and made me take notice. I don't know if anyone else noticed it. Not as up front as A.
Track C seemed like the original. Wasn't as up-front as the prior two so I assumed it was.
Mr. Blue Bear... hey, as far as I'm concerned, I'm glad to see that you've chosen to prove that you do more than talk. I've always respected your advise.
That's it.
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jdechant
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there have been no new votes for awhile, so what do ya say we close this up and find out who did what...
what do ya say queue?
what do ya say queue?
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brokenwindow
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I think we know who did what.
But i would like to be suprised..
ya queue....Lets see the results..
But i would like to be suprised..
ya queue....Lets see the results..
Queue
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UNMASKING THE TICKETS
OKEY Dokey, (I was hoping for 50 votes, but WTF)
First of all, I had masked the identities of the comments over on my webspace, cuz I didn't want that to influence anyone, those are unmasked. Plus I added the comments sjoko and Mixmkr sent me.
Take me to the top of the page, I wanna see who said what first.
Now for the good stuff:
(some of you will be suprised)
Just in case someone else wants to play along, I'll post it over on my space...
Unmask the Entries, and see what each did.
Queue
OKEY Dokey, (I was hoping for 50 votes, but WTF)
First of all, I had masked the identities of the comments over on my webspace, cuz I didn't want that to influence anyone, those are unmasked. Plus I added the comments sjoko and Mixmkr sent me.
Take me to the top of the page, I wanna see who said what first.
Now for the good stuff:
(some of you will be suprised)
Just in case someone else wants to play along, I'll post it over on my space...
Unmask the Entries, and see what each did.
Queue
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
phew!!!!!
[palm reader] Cleo told me that if I just *rolled the dice*, my guesses between A, B, and C would be correct!!! .....and all the asswipes that AREN'T NOW converted to Christianity, are the ones who can't hear farts under the covers, and are also the ones who GUESSED WRONG!!!..........?!?!?!?!? ....or maybe they're Muslims???....use computer speakers...?? ....drink bad beer..??....need to send me THEIR tunes to master ...!!!! (I'll make ya a deal!!!)
Queue....you get an 11 for your organization and effort.
not bad Bruce, btw ;-D
Chess...you've got some powerful tools, but as suspected, a tad heavy on the Maxx bass. Keep up the diligent work, and don't let anyone knock you down or stand in your way. When you stop *bucking the system* is when life becomes to uneasily comfortable, and the music you put out really sounds like shit. Good work!
Now...I need to get off this friggin internet and find a singer who can cook a pecan pie as good as Barb, and will let me bury her in the "mix!" ......NAW!!!! she likes loud guitars too!! .. how many vocalists can you say the same?
[palm reader] Cleo told me that if I just *rolled the dice*, my guesses between A, B, and C would be correct!!! .....and all the asswipes that AREN'T NOW converted to Christianity, are the ones who can't hear farts under the covers, and are also the ones who GUESSED WRONG!!!..........?!?!?!?!? ....or maybe they're Muslims???....use computer speakers...?? ....drink bad beer..??....need to send me THEIR tunes to master ...!!!! (I'll make ya a deal!!!)
Queue....you get an 11 for your organization and effort.
not bad Bruce, btw ;-D
Chess...you've got some powerful tools, but as suspected, a tad heavy on the Maxx bass. Keep up the diligent work, and don't let anyone knock you down or stand in your way. When you stop *bucking the system* is when life becomes to uneasily comfortable, and the music you put out really sounds like shit. Good work!
Now...I need to get off this friggin internet and find a singer who can cook a pecan pie as good as Barb, and will let me bury her in the "mix!" ......NAW!!!! she likes loud guitars too!! .. how many vocalists can you say the same?
jitteringjim
Insert Custom Title Here
Kudos to both of our "mastering engineers." This has been a fun exercise. Thanks to Queue for helping put this together. Now, everybody shake hands and play nice. 
I think this thread has proven several points, but I'll leave it to everyone else to argue what they were. 
I think this thread has proven several points, but I'll leave it to everyone else to argue what they were. 
darrin_h2000
Banned
I thought after 20 seconds that the vocals were more tolerable in ticketb, I didnt think that bringing out a vocalist worked here. at least in the first line of the tune.
The train did sound more real in B as well.
The train did sound more real in B as well.
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CyanJaguar
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I guess that the original mixist (was it mixmkr?) must be from the old school. The really old school.
I could actually hear a stage in his mix. It sounded like my Elvis reference. Things were soft and natural(well no. I would say, softer and more natural than the other two)
TicketA sounded like they were trying to emulate the new school. Matchbox 20 and the likes. Squash it. I could not hear any stage around the voice. THe bass was better though.
I could actually hear a stage in his mix. It sounded like my Elvis reference. Things were soft and natural(well no. I would say, softer and more natural than the other two)
TicketA sounded like they were trying to emulate the new school. Matchbox 20 and the likes. Squash it. I could not hear any stage around the voice. THe bass was better though.
Blue Bear Sound
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Sorry Cyan... I didn't "SQUASH" it.... there was a good 7-10db of dynamic range left (compared to the 0.5 db dynamic range on almost all of today's crap.) The mix needed "punch" and that's what I gave it... I actually did very little to it - part of the mastering processing is being subtle to make an impact (as opposed to those who use a more "in-your-face" approach with effects and the like!)
Would a mastering engineer do what I did, maybe partially, but I have no doubt there's a lot more to it that I have no idea about since I am NOT a mastering engineer!
I honestly beleive I was successful in making the original mix "bigger" and "better", but it can hardly be called "mastered" by pro mastering engineer standards....
Bruce
Would a mastering engineer do what I did, maybe partially, but I have no doubt there's a lot more to it that I have no idea about since I am NOT a mastering engineer!
I honestly beleive I was successful in making the original mix "bigger" and "better", but it can hardly be called "mastered" by pro mastering engineer standards....
Bruce
SPINSTERWUN
Active member
I listened to the 3 mixes on my b*llshit computer monitors. I think Ticket A sounded the best.
My $0.02, YMMV.
spin
My $0.02, YMMV.
spin
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
CyanJaguar said:
hey....!!!!
yeah...I used to walk 10 miles, BOTH WAYS to the studio school, where we had to mix by kerosene lamps and use charcole on the scribble strips on the mixing desk. Our hands would get black and dirty....but we weren't afraid to get our hands dirty if it meant a good mix.
Queue
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Still think you should master your own stuff? Read this:
http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/F717F79532C9067386256688001A7623
Queue
http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/F717F79532C9067386256688001A7623
Queue
Blue Bear Sound
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Now THAT'S information that I whole-heartedly agree with Rip Rowan on!
(...not to mention the fact that I've been saying this all along, Rowan just said it better!)
Bruce
(...not to mention the fact that I've been saying this all along, Rowan just said it better!)
Bruce
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atomictoyz
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SO let me ask this questions....
Should "Home Recorded Music" not written for the masses, but for limited distribution, be subject to the same proccess as the Marketed Music?
Should a 3 to 5 Song Demo be Mastered?
Here is a new test I would like to see, I would like to see whether or not we could get new material and see if Bruce can honestly reproduce his results with SF and the opposite for Chess using the equipment at BBS? We have heard the outcome of the subjectivity to how they hear, but the question to whether SF can be used for DIY mastering still remains. Only half of the scientific process has been done in this li'l shootout. Plus in addition, 3 songs should be done since part of mastering is the cohearance of the total program, one song isn't a real rest...
What do Ya Alls think?
Peace,
Dennis
Should "Home Recorded Music" not written for the masses, but for limited distribution, be subject to the same proccess as the Marketed Music?
Should a 3 to 5 Song Demo be Mastered?
Here is a new test I would like to see, I would like to see whether or not we could get new material and see if Bruce can honestly reproduce his results with SF and the opposite for Chess using the equipment at BBS? We have heard the outcome of the subjectivity to how they hear, but the question to whether SF can be used for DIY mastering still remains. Only half of the scientific process has been done in this li'l shootout. Plus in addition, 3 songs should be done since part of mastering is the cohearance of the total program, one song isn't a real rest...
What do Ya Alls think?
Peace,
Dennis
sjoko2
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atomictoyz said:
I can give you a 100% definative answer to that.
You can give Bruce a track and the most basic tools, and he will still be able to improve the track.
On the other hand, you could put Chess in BBS, in the mastering suite here, in the Mastering Lab in LA, in Sony's mastering suite in NY - anywhere, fully equipped, with all the toys available, and he will still fuck it up.
No malice intended towards Chess, simply a fact.
I don't understand some people's thought pattern on this. I totally support anyone trying to do their own stuff, 100%. If I didn't I would never post anything here now, wouldn't I?
But the simple fact is - this is our job. Its a job involving a lot of technical knowledge, a lot of artistic / creative talent, detailed knowledge about music, etc. etc. Also a job at which you get better depending on experience and time served, and a job that has to be done in a specialist environment.
So, by all means try and do it yourself and try and gain as much knowledge as you can. But please, if you think you could beat someone like Bruce? Drop that notion.
A good analergy would be if you are someone who loves tinkering with cars, and for a hobby you fix them up for you and your friends, you have even build your own buggy from a kit, put a VW engine in it and got it going great.
Next thing you challenge a Formula 1 racing engine mechanic, both of you have a standard engine delivered - you to your garage, the other guy to his F1 workshop, where you both proceed to take the engine apart and re-build it for high performance. Would the outcome surprise you then?
Queue
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toyz,
I think I suggested something along those lines would be the true test, and I believe that sjoko is right. If you forced a mastering engineer to use SF, they would certainly do a better job than the DIY masterer. The environment and experience far outweigh the tools at hand.
sjoko,
Great analogy, I think it is spot on.
Queue
-ps the misspelling "analergy" cracked me up
I think I suggested something along those lines would be the true test, and I believe that sjoko is right. If you forced a mastering engineer to use SF, they would certainly do a better job than the DIY masterer. The environment and experience far outweigh the tools at hand.
sjoko,
Great analogy, I think it is spot on.
Queue
-ps the misspelling "analergy" cracked me up
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hux
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I, for one, would love to hear the same track mastered(ok, "mastered") by Bruce using software..whether it's soundforge or whatever...I agree with the statements about experience being a key factor, but I'd love to do an A/B on the same track, same guy, different tools.