The best producer? George Martin Or Bob Rock?

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The best Producer?

  • George Martin

    Votes: 48 85.7%

  • Bob Rock

    Votes: 8 14.3%
  • Total voters
    56
BOB ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't even remember if i have posted on this topic but i will if i did or didn't...again. Bob rock is a great producer. He is getting bashed entirely too much. I have heard nothing on here or any other site that comes close or rivals his work. So for all of these people to come out and say he sucks i think is kinda silly. The black album is absolutely brilliant production. He has worked with other musicians like Motley Crue. Although i hate them he got that big wieghty rock sound even with a band like that . He is a great rock producer, he gets things sounding real big, without really compressing it . I will take the Black album production over anything that the beatles ever recorded...get your flamethrowers ready. I think that G, Martin did awesome back in the day with what was offered, but Bob Rock does awesome today with what is offered. Bock Rock is not better or worse in my mind, but he produces better music to me, bands i mean. Because of the fact that i absolutely hate the Beatles i am biased. Although i do like a song or two by them. Old production just doesn't do it for me. I am a big fan of the loud wieghty mix's that the Beatles never had. And also i hate the sound of thier guitars, iiiiiiccccckkkkk. terrible to me. Now i will sit patiently with a bucke of water.
 
BOB ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't even remember if i have posted on this topic but i will if i did or didn't...again. Bob rock is a great producer. He is getting bashed entirely too much. I have heard nothing on here or any other site that comes close or rivals his work. So for all of these people to come out and say he sucks i think is kinda silly. The black album is absolutely brilliant production. He has worked with other musicians like Motley Crue. Although i hate them he got that big wieghty rock sound even with a band like that . He is a great rock producer, he gets things sounding real big, without really compressing it . I will take the Black album production over anything that the beatles ever recorded...get your flamethrowers ready. I think that G, Martin did awesome back in the day with what was offered, but Bob Rock does awesome today with what is offered. Bock Rock is not better or worse in my mind, but he produces better music to me, bands i mean. Because of the fact that i absolutely hate the Beatles i am biased. Although i do like a song or two by them. Old production just doesn't do it for me. I am a big fan of the loud wieghty mix's that the Beatles never had. And also i hate the sound of thier guitars, iiiiiiccccckkkkk. terrible to me. Now i will sit patiently with a bucket of water.
 
Re: BOB ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Analytical Man said:
[B I am a big fan of the loud wieghty mix's that the Beatles never had.
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So what your saying here is your a fan of the shit being produced by major labels that has no dynamics, but it's good because it's loud? I guess each to their own but what I cannot understand for the life of me is the shit that Rock has just put his signature on. I've only heard a couple songs off that Metallica record so far and that was on the radio. Hell I'm tempted to buy the CD just to see if there is some way to figure out why they did this. Hmmm, but then that would be going against my policy of not buying any Major Label shit and supporting the fucking Evil RIAA.
 
OPINION"S ARE PERSONAL!!!!!!!!!!

I am not trying to argue, all that i am saying is that i like they way Bob Rocks records sound, better than i do the Beatles. I really think that it doesn't matter if something is loud or quiet. If it is good it is good. I think the Beatles were overrated. I think that there song writing was lame, and contrived. I hate all that flower power shit of that time, with very few exceptions. Simon and Garfunkel being one of the few. I thought the sound of their recording was so overrated and hyped. I am not at all into vintage recordings. I don't like the lack of clarity or the absence of high end detail. The lack of low end. I like to not have to lunge for the volume knob in between my cd's so i can actually hear a song. I think the Black Album's production blows away any Beatles production i have heard to date. That is what i am saying. Good music is good music, be it loud on a major label or quiet and from back in the day. I guess now the more i think of it my hatred for the Beatles is probably clouding my better judgement. G. Martin was obviously good at what he did, back in the day. And the production was great for the time, but i think it is time to let go of the past. Much better recording have come along since, I wanna hold your hand, or Hey Jude. If you think not irespect your opinion. Respect mine when i don't. These are opinions people. I never said you have to subscribe to mine. So don't jump on me for replying to a post and answering the damn thing. I think that there are other producers of the day that could definately compete. I am still sticking to my guns that i think that Bob rock produced albums that sound better to me than G. martin productions. That is once again my opinion, which i am entitled to the last time i checked. And if you would like another one, I can't stand these people that boycott major label releases in some fucking lame-ass attempt to make a personal statement and be an individual. LET"S ALL REBEL AGAINST THE SYSTEM. I don't know if you are one of these types, if so this applies to you, and if not take no offense. I will more than likely know by your response. And i agree that the production on ST. Anger was complete shit in Metallica's terms. If it were another bands music it wouldn't be held to such high standards. That is why it makes sense for them to do. Because you never thought they would. , although you get used to it as you listen more. But it wasn't because of lack of skill on Bob rocks part. It was because (HOLY FUCKING SHIT) they wanted it that way. GOODBYE!
 
What about.... Eddie Kramer?

Jim Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Kiss, The Rolling Stones, Traffic, Peter Frampton, Carly Simon, Joe Cocker, Johnny Winter, David Bowie, The Beatles and Bad Company.
 
Analytical Man

It sounds form your post that you might have take my post as a flame. Not my intent at all and that’s why I said “I guess each to their own”. I respect your opinion and share some too. But I can’t help but to refer to a lot of the music today as shit because of the way it’s recorded and mastered to focus on level beyond anything else. That’s how my ears hear it and I’m certainly not alone.

Here you say….”. I like to not have to lunge for the volume knob in between my cd's so I can actually hear a song.”
And therein lies a huge problem in popular recorded music. The level wars have done nothing for the quality of sound. This issue has been discussed to death here and all over the place and if anyone thinks differently about that it’s OK by me. The level wars really got out of control.

Seems like a lot of people have jumped on the lets hate the major labels bandwagon but I assure you my hatred of them has exited long before there was the World Wide Web was ever around. Kind of goes back to the days when the CD came out and all the promises from them about how the prices will come way down…etc etc..Now we have the RIAA and all their shit so it really reinforces my hatred of them if anything. Been about two years since I bought a CD and when I’m in a store that carries CD’s I have a hard time buying one. When I do buy one I feel like I’m supporting an institution that has lied and betrayed the public and many artist’s too.

BTW, I know full well that Rock can make very good records. I guess I’m still in disbelief over this Metallica record.

Take care
 
COOL BEANS DUDE...PEACE

Cool Beans. I agree to each thier own. No flaming here either. I think you make some very valid points. I don't like loud just for the sake of loud. I like loud...detailed mixes. I think that the Black album is proof that you can have both. And i do admit that it is a rare find these days. Yup, St. Anger's production really is funky, but some of the music is cool. I am also biased on that as i am a Metallica nut. I actually am going to the show next Saturdayn at the Metrodome in Minnesota. they are supposedly breaking out only material from the justice album backward. COOL! Just sucks that i had to pay 96 bucks for a ticket to have to sit through Linkin Park, Limp Biskit, and the Deftones to get to my band. As long as you are pro CD price slashing can we knock down the fucking ticket prices!?!?!?!?!?!?!Peace
 
i gotta thown my two cents in again. mainly because of the old/new discussion up there ^. Records are made entirely different now then they were back when Sir George started. Hell, he started off with one mic recordings. I hafta say I love listening to old records. Today's are louder because they are compressed the crap out of and end up usually sounding thin to me. What makes George Martin great is that he set a standard for brilliance in the studio back then. Has that been surpassed? Sure. He was a pioneer and brilliant as far as recording techniques go. This forum is dedicated to the persuit of what George Martin was a genius at. I've said this in many posts but read his book "All You Need is Ears." You'll gain an instant appreciation for him and his work. One of the things that binds all of us audio engineers together is a love and passion for recording music, and continuing the persuit of learning. Both Martin and Rock are great producers and brilliant in my mind. One's just old school and one is new school. They can't be compared without looking at them in the context of their respective time periods. If Sgt. Peppers was put out in it's orginal form today as new record people would probably say that it sounded sub par. But it broke boundaries when it was released. It's an amazing record. Not because it could hold its own against the highly compressed and autotuned world of today's pop music, but because it employed new techniques, great songs and involved accomplishing great things with the limited gear of the time.

I'm out.
 
Amazed

That this rather pointless thread is still going on...just shows hoew people like to take part in pointless debates!

Who was greatest footballer George Best or Pele? Who was the greates artist Picasso or Rembrandt. Greatest guitarist Eric Clapton or Hendrix, blah blah.

Like i said 40 posts ago...is chalk better than cheese? Depends if you want to eat or write on a blackboard!
 
It is a Home recording forum

Within the context of this BBS I go for Daniel Lanois. I think he is at heart a home recorder. He has recorded many of his records in living rooms and kitchens.

RD
 
i wouldn't want george martin producing a metal record.

bob rock sort of has that power pop thing down. mutt lange is the king of that sound though. is there a point i'm trying to make? different producers are good for different things.

in 2003, i'd probably like to hang out with any of these guys but i'd want someone else producing my work.
 
Personally, I thought Bob Rock's technique on the latest Metallica album was sorta stupid and seemed like they just wanted to rush through the album by cutting in certain takes and really just pieces songs together. It caused some of the stuff on the album to be off and even out of tune and I think thye just got lazy and tried to pass off the technique as revolutionary because they didnt want to spend time actually making a good album.
 
I hated the sound of St. Anger upon the first few listens. I was extremely dissapointed and almost heart broken. However - I grew to love the sound. There's actually a lot going on. I dispised the drum sound at first. Now when I go back and listen to, Reload for example, it's so glossy that I find myself craving the sound of St. Anger. I also think the material is extremely strong. It's all subjective of course.

I love the songs and the sound of St. Anger. It certainly seems as though I am the only one here who doesn't think it sucks!

Personally I'm very glad they changed the way they make records and tried something new. I think it turned out awesome.

As far as who's better, Rock or GM, well, that's a silly comparsion. Like comparing apples to ski boots.
 
Does anyone else think this thread is a little....ahem, dumb?

Best producer Bob Rock or George Martin. Essentially compares
The Beatles and Metallica, right?

I mean unless B. Rock has worked w/ other bands of note (I am a bit ignorant to his non-Matallica work) and G. Martin is pretty much knowjn for working w/ the BEatles right?

So my questions are:

How can they be compaired?

Why would some one want to compare them?(its like compairing Chocolate and Ketchup)

Who gives a shit?

Why has this thread received so many responses?



Just wondering,
Twonky
 
ZEKE SAYER said:
I'm fan of George Martin's work with the Beatles. (i think that's just about the only band that he producted.) He is a smart man. From his work on Srt. Pepper to Abby Road. Bob Rock on the other hand is "Ok" His work on MetallicA Has turned out some good guitar, bass and vocal sounds. but i'm begenning to think that he don't know what in the hell he's doing. His drum sound (kick and snare) Suck big time. But Let's figure out which one of these producers most liked.


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If you do actually mean who is most liked then thats fair enough . A bit of a weird comparison, but whatever turns you on right?

If your trying to dissern whos a better producer then its apples and oranges. Actually its apple's and persian rugs. geddit?

However... just cause this Bob guy has done some 'good guitar basss and vocal sounds' doesnt even put him in the same league as George. Sir George was interested in much more than getting some good sounds (even though he did that without mistake 100% of the time) He was an arranger. He wrote musical scores. Helped broaden the Beatles sound scopes. Arranged 'Strawberry Fields' and inserted the speeded up piano in the 'In My Life' break as well as everything else he did. Nuff said. He got good instrument sounds etc... par for the course as any employed producer should. If George was paid for genius iniative and masterfull improvisation and ideas then he'd be richer than all the Beatles estates put together.

And he did a hell of a lot more than work with the Beatles too.
 
VOXVENDOR said:
I only have 3 words for this thread...

MUTT-FUCKIN'-LANGE!

'Nuff Said!
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Oh my gawsh.....thank you so much. I was about to flip that noone had mentioned Mutt. IMHO Mutt is the greatest all-around producer/songwriter EVER. If you question it, think about the songs that have gotten stuck in your head over the years. More than likely Mutt was behind them. That man know's a hook better than friggin Jaws. His pinnacle was Def Leppard's "Hysteria" - Star Wars for the ears.
 
I am a die-hard Metallica fan. The new album makes me want to puke!! Rock should be slapped, Lars should have a drum stick shoved up his ass for allowing his snare and toms to ring so much, Hetfield should stick that Radioshack mic down his through.. the guitar sound alright.:D
 
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