terrible phase!!!

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hello all,

sorry if this is a lame question but i'm trying to mix a song with an analogue/digital hybrid type situation..


I have a yamaha mg12fx mixer and a delta 1010lt card and this is my first attempt at figuring out how to make this work as I'm used to staying in the box... (I really want this idea to work out) Basically I have my tracks bounced down to 8 tracks 1=kick 2=snare 3/4=rest of kit 5=bass and so on.. I have the st out's going back into my 1010's input 3 and 4 so I can bounce it back to the daw when I'm done mixing and I have the rec stereo outs going to my amp then to the speakers (i wasn't getting any sound otherwise).. here's the problem.

I got a very decent mix and I wanted to dump it into my daw and i press record and nothing.. I noticed that the board wasn't even regestering sound then i smacked my head "ahh the st volume is all the way down" I turned it up and yes success in that there's sound being recorded now.. failure because now there's this really really REALLY bad phase .. took my nice mix and turned it into garbage. i have no idea why this is. did I hook something up wrong??? Maybe if i used the rec stereo out (which i tried) but i still have to turn up the st fader and now I can't monitor any sound.. maybe my mixer just isn't cut out for this? any help is appriciated
 
yes you can do this with your mixer and I anticipate that others will chime in and say that the mixer sucks and thats why you are having problems so before that happens I will say that its probably that the stereo mix is somehow feeding back into some of your channels causing the phase problems.
 
I had a similar problem with completely different hardware - I programmed a drum "song" on my DR-670 and recorded it onto a stereo pair on my Tascam 2488. When I played the recorded track back I was getting a phasing problem, and it was driving me nuts until I realized that I still had the DR-670 turned on and plugged into the Tascam, so I was hearing the recorded track and the DR-670's live output at the same time. D'oh! :o
 
hrmmmm i think i'm just stupid.. I mixed everything with the main volume all the way down and all my gain knobs are really really turned up.. that would probably do it .. no? i hope that's all it is.. again sorry for my ignorance i've never attempted to do it this way.. i won't die if it doesn't work but i hope it does because i'm getting fantastic results so far.. just feels right tweaking knobs and faders ya know
 
Well i sorta got it working.. but now i get such low signals that my final mix is virtually unusable.. it's a wierd problem.. I just wanted to experiment with it but my mixer is very limiting.. If I had maybe another 4 to 8 channels with 4-8 analogue outs i'd be in business.. I'll stick to in the box mixing until I can get gear that's meant to be used this way.. it was a fun experiment at least
 
I am a complete idiot.. I fixed the problem with one click of a button..

see what happened was this:

all my outs were into the mixer.. mixer went to my amp then to the speakers.

I had the main outs going to my 1010 then routed back to the mixer via channel 1/2 out.. thus channel 1 and 2 had a complete mix, and kick and snare all with different amounts of latency.... this cycle actually would continue for infinity because channel 1 and 2 would keep going back into my computer then back into the mixer and I was hearing this awful phase because of the latency...

idiot solution that should have been the first thing i tried was to simply turn off the monitoring on my delta control panel. I smacked my head pretty hard when i realized that's all it was
 
The phase problem was caused by you monitoring the input and the output at the same time. If you shut off the record monitoring, it should work.


BTW, what is the point of running the mix out and back in? If you were running through some outboard gear (compressor, EQ, etc...), Or running individual channels into a mixer for analog summing, it would make sense. Just running it out and back in won't accomplish anything.


edit: I just read the last post, cheers.
 
oh maybe i wasn't clear......... I am running channels.. i'm running the mix through 8 channels 1=kick 2=snare 3/4=rest of drums 5=guitar 6=guitar 2 7=bass 8=vocals.. I'm actually really lovin doing it this way...... i'm pretty much sold... next step is to as you mentioned.. get some outboard gear.. more outs from my computer and a bigger board
 
okay you don't have to be a prick.. I'm pretty sure that it won't say anywhere in the intruction manual that if you run channels out then back in that you'll get that phase if you don't turn the monitoring off.. I'm sorry.. i''ve never set anything like this up before.. as I said I'm used to all in the box mixing and this was my first try.. so you can take you're sarcastic fucking comments and shove them up your ass.

sorry for the outburst but that sorta pissed me off.
thank you everyone else that gave me really good advice and suggestions.. that's what these boards are for right? :)
 
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