jpw23
New member
Pretty cool tune....I was gonna say that it sounded a bit muddy until I cranked it up....sounds good!! I would like the info on the recording. Good work!!!
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Blor007
New member
Bassguitar:
Musicman MM3
in Gyraf Gyratec IX
Guitars
Right:
Mesa Boogie Dual rectifier
ENGL case
1 track : Telecaster
1 track : Gibson Les Paul Studio
Left
ENGL Amp
ENGL case
1 track : Telecaster
1 track : Gibson Les Paul Studio
Recorded with: Studio Projects C1 , Sennheiser vocal mic (forgot type), Shure SM57
Vocals
Studio Projects C1
Drums
Kick: BETA 52 (replica)
Snare upper: Shure SM57
Snare lower: Shure SM57
Tom 1: Andy Sneap sample (Recorded with SM57 but too tiny sound)
Floor : Andy Sneap sample (Recorded with SM57 but too tiny sound)
Hi-hat: Studio Projects C1
OH: AKG C1000, Shure SM94
Everything was damped with a small piece of toilet paper and attached with ducktape.
Samples (Kick,Snare) were taking from the drum :Compressed, Eq'd , C4,...
They were blended with the original signal to let the cut trough
This is supposed to be my ''promo'' material so It really has to sound as the fucking bomb
Musicman MM3
in Gyraf Gyratec IX
Guitars
Right:
Mesa Boogie Dual rectifier
ENGL case
1 track : Telecaster
1 track : Gibson Les Paul Studio
Left
ENGL Amp
ENGL case
1 track : Telecaster
1 track : Gibson Les Paul Studio
Recorded with: Studio Projects C1 , Sennheiser vocal mic (forgot type), Shure SM57
Vocals
Studio Projects C1
Drums
Kick: BETA 52 (replica)
Snare upper: Shure SM57
Snare lower: Shure SM57
Tom 1: Andy Sneap sample (Recorded with SM57 but too tiny sound)
Floor : Andy Sneap sample (Recorded with SM57 but too tiny sound)
Hi-hat: Studio Projects C1
OH: AKG C1000, Shure SM94
Everything was damped with a small piece of toilet paper and attached with ducktape.
Samples (Kick,Snare) were taking from the drum :Compressed, Eq'd , C4,...
They were blended with the original signal to let the cut trough
This is supposed to be my ''promo'' material so It really has to sound as the fucking bomb
Erockrazor
I mix in (2x) real-time
Sounds really good , I like the sound youre getting.
On the first listen , I felt like the intro guitar on the left speaker was a little loud. But then on the second listen it didnt seem as bad. Aside from that I didnt really notice anything else. Maybe that tapping part on the right speaker towards the end of the song could be brought up just a hint. Not too much though. Maybe thats just my inner guitarist speaking but I'm not sure. Good mix , good song , keep it up.
On the first listen , I felt like the intro guitar on the left speaker was a little loud. But then on the second listen it didnt seem as bad. Aside from that I didnt really notice anything else. Maybe that tapping part on the right speaker towards the end of the song could be brought up just a hint. Not too much though. Maybe thats just my inner guitarist speaking but I'm not sure. Good mix , good song , keep it up.
Freudian Slip
New member
Sounds really good. Perhaps lacking a hair of low end on the kick and bass. I am unable to crank at the moment so I may be not getting it all.
Very good over all sound. I don't think you'll find a ton of suggestions.
I'd personally start to be a bit afraid to touch it much, it's pretty damn good.
F.S.
Very good over all sound. I don't think you'll find a ton of suggestions.
I'd personally start to be a bit afraid to touch it much, it's pretty damn good.
F.S.
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RedStone
Active member
Ok here's my initial thoughts ... there's alot, but keep in mind that I truely did enjoy listening to the song ...
I think the reverb on the drums might be self defeating .. it's very dark and there's a lot of it ... too much decay maybe .. I'd try without the reverb and maybe use some compression to get the snare to snap for you ... if anything, I think for drums, you would want room ambiance from a stereo room mic t give space, or at least modelled room tones from an IR ... at the very least, I would take the reverb out of the intro .. just my knee jerk reaction
guitars sound nice but the Left guitar is bottom heavy while the right guitar is not - that (I think) is throwing off the balance of the mix - maybe think about taking a bit of the bottom end from the L guitar and adding some bottom end in the R guitar ..
The bass is extremely bottom heavy with things happening well below 50hz, which is probably interfering with your kick and also taking a chunk of the crispness out of the mix ... Also, frequencies that low, (I could hear regular activy at 30hz) tend to hog headroom, so you have to be cautious .... if your bass player is solid, doing a HP to 40hz won't harm anything ... you can get some bottom end from 80hz as well
And instead of High passing the highs on the mix to get the roll-off effect, myabe try compressing them instead ... that might help keep some shimmer without over-doing it.
hope that helps
R
great tune btw ... very catchy
I think the reverb on the drums might be self defeating .. it's very dark and there's a lot of it ... too much decay maybe .. I'd try without the reverb and maybe use some compression to get the snare to snap for you ... if anything, I think for drums, you would want room ambiance from a stereo room mic t give space, or at least modelled room tones from an IR ... at the very least, I would take the reverb out of the intro .. just my knee jerk reaction
guitars sound nice but the Left guitar is bottom heavy while the right guitar is not - that (I think) is throwing off the balance of the mix - maybe think about taking a bit of the bottom end from the L guitar and adding some bottom end in the R guitar ..
The bass is extremely bottom heavy with things happening well below 50hz, which is probably interfering with your kick and also taking a chunk of the crispness out of the mix ... Also, frequencies that low, (I could hear regular activy at 30hz) tend to hog headroom, so you have to be cautious .... if your bass player is solid, doing a HP to 40hz won't harm anything ... you can get some bottom end from 80hz as well
And instead of High passing the highs on the mix to get the roll-off effect, myabe try compressing them instead ... that might help keep some shimmer without over-doing it.
hope that helps
R
great tune btw ... very catchy
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rayc
retroreprobate
A couple of dB's at 3Khz for bass definition & a little more bottom end for both the bass & bass drum would fill out this terrific piece of pop rock.
RedStone
Active member
rayc said:
I don't understand why is everyone saying "more bottom end for the bass guitar" ... There's already enough of it to blow the top off a sky scraper.
I think the song will be much cleaner if the bass is High Passed to like 60hz - then if it's not bassy enough for you on certain notes, notch in the fundamentals of whatever notes you played ... G=49hz .... E = 41hz, D = 36hz etc etc - that should let you keep bass and preserve headroom
the kick is pretty mid heavy I think which is why you can't hear the low end of it as much ... but that might have a lot to do with the reverb. I would also HP the kick to 30hz to save headroom. You can get a lot of energy from the kick with a notch at 31hz.
nits aside, I agree that it's close to being done
Nicole_Rose
Great White North Girl
i like it. i hear everything in the song and it all has it's place. i'm no pro though. but i do like it. and not only is it a good recording/mixing job the song itself is really good too.
CoolCat
Well-known member
good job, imo. the bridge/break is real clever and interesting.
What recording platform did you use?
Amazing HR job.....good luck,
What recording platform did you use?
Amazing HR job.....good luck,
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Blor007
New member
wow really helpfull comments , thanks alot.
When listening to your comments they are spot on so I'll be woring my way into making this a better mix
I have one question though, say I want to boost the lows on a bass guitar but ONLY when it plays higher notes so when he plays the lower notes, the sound doesnt change much.
How do I do this , I'm thinking about multiband compressing between the 70hz-130hz but I'm not an expert in this sort of thing.
Will I generally need more or less attack , and what kind of treshold?
Any links to guides to multiband compression will also be very helpfull
When listening to your comments they are spot on so I'll be woring my way into making this a better mix
I have one question though, say I want to boost the lows on a bass guitar but ONLY when it plays higher notes so when he plays the lower notes, the sound doesnt change much.
How do I do this , I'm thinking about multiband compressing between the 70hz-130hz but I'm not an expert in this sort of thing.
Will I generally need more or less attack , and what kind of treshold?
Any links to guides to multiband compression will also be very helpfull
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Raw-Tracks
New member
I think the mix sounds great. The only thing that bothers me is the 'verb on the snare. In my mind, it's way to long. Otherwise, nice mix!
RedStone
Active member
Blor007 said:
What about thinking of it the other way around ... take out some of the bass on the lower notes so that there isn't so much contrast between lower and higher? Then if you find it's not bassy enough, slightly notch in the notes you need?
I would rather not use multiband - esp when I want to control specific frequency dynamics as opposed to the track's loudness dynamics. I could very well be off on that because I've never used a multiband on a bass guitar so I'm not sure what it would do to it other than totally warp the sound ...
am I talking sense? I hope so .. heheh
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rayc
retroreprobate
Redstone,
I hope you're not listening with a subwoofer or computer speakers with maximized EQ or an MP3 player with all those whacky settings.
in headphones & through a proper stereo amp & speakers set neutrally in the room I heard what I heard & commented accordingly.
What if everyone vs Redstone suggests something about average perception & a variety of settings?
I hope you're not listening with a subwoofer or computer speakers with maximized EQ or an MP3 player with all those whacky settings.
in headphones & through a proper stereo amp & speakers set neutrally in the room I heard what I heard & commented accordingly.
What if everyone vs Redstone suggests something about average perception & a variety of settings?
RedStone
Active member
rayc, I understand what you're saying ...
Here's how I was listening:
I imported the track into Reaper and was listening with a pair of Beyerdyamic DT230 Pro cans through the headphone amp built into my interface with all settings neutral. I also listened through a pair of YSM-1s (mind you in a bad room) ...
I felt/feel that with what's already there bass wise (in the very low bottom end - 20hz - 40hz, and up to around 80hz), you can't really add any more... But I've also noticed a sharp roll-off at 16khz ... maybe that is what's causing me to think there is too much bass as is ... I don't know ... could the solution maybe be a boost in the lower mid range?
... Or is having all of this extreme low end is OK now days?? Maybe the mix just needs some sparkle to even things out ... and then perhaps a boost in the that low middle range to solidify a foundation (100-160hz)
is that more sensible?
Here's how I was listening:
I imported the track into Reaper and was listening with a pair of Beyerdyamic DT230 Pro cans through the headphone amp built into my interface with all settings neutral. I also listened through a pair of YSM-1s (mind you in a bad room) ...
I felt/feel that with what's already there bass wise (in the very low bottom end - 20hz - 40hz, and up to around 80hz), you can't really add any more... But I've also noticed a sharp roll-off at 16khz ... maybe that is what's causing me to think there is too much bass as is ... I don't know ... could the solution maybe be a boost in the lower mid range?
... Or is having all of this extreme low end is OK now days?? Maybe the mix just needs some sparkle to even things out ... and then perhaps a boost in the that low middle range to solidify a foundation (100-160hz)
is that more sensible?
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rayc
retroreprobate
Have you tried the 3Khz tweak for definition?
the bottom end prob may be an artifact/result of MP3 conversion.
the bottom end prob may be an artifact/result of MP3 conversion.
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bigbubba
New member
This song is done pretty much. I like the heavy low end bass and only like more defined bass on speed metal or heavy metal kind of things.
In more alternative'ish settings and pop rock settings the bass sounds better this way.
You can always listen to Alanis Morissette's (sp?) CD that she produced and mixed and engineered more on her terms and realize that there is such a thing as too much bass. Especially when the listener has to lower the bass all the way on their Equalizer on the stereo. But any thing less than that and you should be OK.
I wouldn't mind hearing the kick be more clicky.
In all honesty, I wouldn't even think about those suggestions if I heard this on the radio. The only reason I mention is because you asked.
I'm listening on a home theater system so take this from a listener's perspective.
In more alternative'ish settings and pop rock settings the bass sounds better this way.
You can always listen to Alanis Morissette's (sp?) CD that she produced and mixed and engineered more on her terms and realize that there is such a thing as too much bass. Especially when the listener has to lower the bass all the way on their Equalizer on the stereo. But any thing less than that and you should be OK.
I wouldn't mind hearing the kick be more clicky.
In all honesty, I wouldn't even think about those suggestions if I heard this on the radio. The only reason I mention is because you asked.
I'm listening on a home theater system so take this from a listener's perspective.
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Blor007
New member
RAYC, I'm mixing this straight ahead this weekend
Without my monitors this is quite pointless
Some suggestions I got from the band:
Vocals:
Too loud, music is pushed too far back.
Vocal harmonys are not audible.
Backings in chorus should be louder
Drums:
Inaudible toms.
Gitaren:
Guitars should be heavier: They are not blowing in your face
Bass:
Is nice
I can fix all those point except for the guitars. How the hell should I make them heavier. In recording I learned the principle: less gain = more power.
But I really can't get them to really come forward in your speakers.
As soon as I turn them up they muddy up the mix :s
Any tips from you guys would help alot !!
EDIT: Btw thanks alot for the positive and helpfull comments, wouldnt have this quality without this forum !!
Without my monitors this is quite pointless
Some suggestions I got from the band:
Vocals:
Too loud, music is pushed too far back.
Vocal harmonys are not audible.
Backings in chorus should be louder
Drums:
Inaudible toms.
Gitaren:
Guitars should be heavier: They are not blowing in your face
Bass:
Is nice
I can fix all those point except for the guitars. How the hell should I make them heavier. In recording I learned the principle: less gain = more power.
But I really can't get them to really come forward in your speakers.
As soon as I turn them up they muddy up the mix :s
Any tips from you guys would help alot !!
EDIT: Btw thanks alot for the positive and helpfull comments, wouldnt have this quality without this forum !!
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Boray
New member
Sounds very good to me...
RedStone
Active member
I ran your track through an FFT spectrum analyzer we have at work
Here's your bottom end
Here's a another track's bottom end - a commercial CD in bascially the same style
I watched both for about a minute during the most intense parts of each - the pics speak of the average of what I saw - lack of definition in the low end and an extreme roll of in the highs
anyway, everyone seems to be happy with it, so I'll keep my lips (hands? hehe) zipped starting now - after all, it's the band that needs to be happy, not some stranger on the internet
once again, good job on this .. sorry for the confusion.
Here's your bottom end
Here's a another track's bottom end - a commercial CD in bascially the same style
I watched both for about a minute during the most intense parts of each - the pics speak of the average of what I saw - lack of definition in the low end and an extreme roll of in the highs
anyway, everyone seems to be happy with it, so I'll keep my lips (hands? hehe) zipped starting now - after all, it's the band that needs to be happy, not some stranger on the internet
once again, good job on this .. sorry for the confusion.