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Yeah, Roy Buchanan is great, got a few of his albums. These guys got so much out of so little. The only thing I recall James Burton ever using was a MXR phase90.

Other tele players, hmmm, anybody remember Thumbs Carlisle? He played it in his lap and made up all kinds of funky stuff, used to play with Roger Miller.

Another guy who's name I can't remember played with the Vern Williams band, wait, I found it, it was Kraig Hutchens playing a tele in a bluegrass band out of Fresno. In 1980 on 'This is Rose Maddox' on Arhoolie records they backed her up. Some great licks there. Her version of Merle Travis' 'Dark as a Dungeon' still sends chills. This is another must have album.

Rick, I emailed you through the forum, send me an address and I'll pop off a photo to ya.
 
There use to be this guy on the Tom Jones variety hour, this goes back aways. Tom would always have this short little peice where he would talk to this guy who was just killer on a tele. One time he played a solo with a carrot for a pick. He was a real show off but very good.

Anyone remember this guy?

Another one of my all time favorite tele players was Jim Messina. I could listen his melody lines all day. Kind of dissappeared after Loggins and Messina broke up.

Stephen Stills anyone? Love that finger poppin style. I still use that technique quite a bit. Fingers on strings vs. a pick.
 
Let's see--Clarence White. Albert Lee. Ray Flacke. Of course--James Burton--I was thinking of him and for some reason I couldn't pull up the name (beer perhaps?). Red Volgurt. Vince Gill ain't no slouch either. Man, there's a bunch of 'em! Glad you mentioned Roy Nichols. Those instrumental albums he did with the Strangers were phenomenal. I used to really get off on Don Rich too. That twang he got just made my ears perk up.

I bought my first Tele because Jeff Beck had one on the Yardbirds Rave Up cover. Actually, I think it was an Esquire, but it sent me to the music store in 1965 where I bought a brand new Tele with hardshell case for $212.00!

I learned my country bends from listening to Clarence White. I didn't realize he had a bender built into the the guitar! I read that his old Tele belongs to Marty Stuart now.

Funniest Tele story I ever heard was that Roy Buchanan commissioned someone to make him a Tele body made out of granite. He was going for the ultimate sustain. Unfortunately the guitar was slightly too heavy to play. :D
 
crawdad said:
Let's see--Clarence White. Albert Lee. Ray Flacke. Of course--James Burton--I was thinking of him and for some reason I couldn't pull up the name (beer perhaps?). Red Volgurt. Vince Gill ain't no slouch either. Man, there's a bunch of 'em! Glad you mentioned Roy Nichols. Those instrumental albums he did with the Strangers were phenomenal. I used to really get off on Don Rich too. That twang he got just made my ears perk up.

I bought my first Tele because Jeff Beck had one on the Yardbirds Rave Up cover. Actually, I think it was an Esquire, but it sent me to the music store in 1965 where I bought a brand new Tele with hardshell case for $212.00!

I learned my country bends from listening to Clarence White. I didn't realize he had a bender built into the the guitar! I read that his old Tele belongs to Marty Stuart now.

Funniest Tele story I ever heard was that Roy Buchanan commissioned someone to make him a Tele body made out of granite. He was going for the ultimate sustain. Unfortunately the guitar was slightly too heavy to play. :D

$212 eh? I think a Martin D-28 was $259 then too. Who knew?

A lot of Telecasters were hacked in the hippy days and later with B-string bender movement. The lead/steel player in the group I had got a hold of '52 or '53 that had been converted to 9 strings and had a bender on it. It was painted white with an oil based primer. Looked like the guy used a broom to paint it. There were 3 more tuners on the bottom of the headstock and the idea was to get a sort of 12 string sound out of it by having the A, D, and G strings in octaves. What was interesting was how the bender worked compared to the Clarence White version with the separate back plate and all. The back of the body was carved out to accomidate a roller behind the area where the B string was and the end of the B string was attached to that. Then the back was routed out to allow for a rod to the strap button. Funny thing was that once he got rid of the extra strings it worked great, stayed in tune and everything.

Geez its all coming back now. There was another guy, John Charles Stewart who did a solo act in the beach area I played in the early '70's. Sometimes we played together.......I guess that made us a duo. He did a lot of blues and tried to cover all polyphonic bases by playing harmonica with a neck brace and tapping a tamborine with his feet that was rung around the mic stand. But the cool part was his Tele. He converted the E and A strings to bass strings to allow a bass part against to chords. Once he got warmed up it sounded pretty cool.

Just a thought, I think I'm starting to see why Leo Fender didn't spend much on R & D.
 
Damn crawdad, you picked some real great country pickers. Know of any albums with vince gill and others playin instrumental country stuff? His vocals blow me away too!
My fav was "Oklahoma swing" or somethin like that. I'll look for Clarence. So you pick country too huh! Alright! Never heard of Ray Flack, or Clarence. I'll look around for their recordings. I like used record stores. Find the damndest stuff! Found an original Vicounts 45 a couple of months ago of "Guitar Boogie Shuffle". Not the most fantastic stuff, but I love the lyrical solos. Same with "Honky Tonk" My fav instrumental of all time. Well, wait a minute. theres.....Hmmmm oh yea, and ..... !!!!Damn, too many to pick from and their ALLLL my fav's!!!
fitz:D
 
Hey philboyd! Thanks. Enjoyed the hell out of that.
fitz:D
 
Rick,

No problem, sure wish I had that guitar I was playing there. It was one of just a few drednaughts made by Alan Perez, a little known guy but he made all the traditional instruments for Los Lobos. He say, "you gotta come out with me and hear these guys"........wish would have......another dumb move.

Another great Tele player just popped in my head. Remember Steve Cropper from Booker T. and the MG's?
 
"There use to be this guy on the Tom Jones variety hour, this goes back aways. Tom would always have this short little peice where he would talk to this guy who was just killer on a tele. One time he played a solo with a carrot for a pick. He was a real show off but very good. "

i remember that, he could make the guitar talk (without a talkbox). tom jomes would say something and he would"answer" with the guitar. i was a kid and used to watch the tom jones show in the '60's. i had forgot about toms guitar player.

i guess my all time favorite tele player would have to be Roy Nichols (merle haggards guitarist). he was just so solid, tasty, and original. he had tone to die for. things like the intro on "mamma tried" and the lead ride on "honky tonk night time man" (steve gains also did a killer solo on that tune when skynyrd covered it). Roy just rules...complicated simplicity is hard to nail and he nails it.
 
Never saw the Tom Jones show, I thought he was just another banana act. Who knew.

The amazing thing about Roy Nichols' riffs was the apparent simplicity, till you took it apart and you'd go 'where the hell did that come from'. Roy had a stroke in '96 and has been unable to play since. Thanks Roy for all the inspiration.

From time to time public TV runs a tribute to Roy Orbison where it ends with 'Oh Pretty Woman' and James Burton and Bruce Springsteen trading licks on an extended solo....well worth taping. Its vintage James at his best.....making Bruce look good while playing stuff from another planet. It's fun just to see the expressions of all the stars lined up in the backround.
 
Rick--I don't know if Vince Gill ever did an instrumental record. Clarence White can be heard on several of the later Byrds albums--Dr Byrds and Mr Hyde, Ballad of Easy Rider and a couple others. He did some solos on Younger Than Yesterday, notably The Girl With No Name. First time I ever heard the B-bender! Clarence was a very hot bluegrass picker as well.

Ray Flacke played with Rick Skaggs for a while. Theres a tune called One Way Rider that just smokes.

We need to keep this thread going! Lets see if we can compile a definitive list of the best albums that feature Telecasters or something! Unfortunately, many are out of print. This is one area where file trading would be a blessing. I doubt that The Strangers instrumental records will get re-released, etc. I guess you never know.

phylboyd--I remember seeing Thumbs Carlisle on a TV show. I couldn't believe what I saw him doing! Oh, and I suppose we should have all picked up D28s for $259 back then! We didn't attach any vintage mystique to guitars back then. They were just guitars and we had no idea what would eventually happen with Fender or guitars in general.
 
Is Albert Lee a session player? Or does he have instrumental stuff out? I'm not too familiar with country music.

I've only seen bits and pieces of him playing on video. Monster player.
 
He's played both as a session player and as a live band member. Worked with Emmy Lou Harris and Eric Clapton.

I know he's had at least two records out. The song that blew me away was called "I'm Just A Country Boy". It was on his first solo record--probably out of print. I'll check Amazon and see what they have. Anyway, the man can wiggle his fingers!

He also did one of those guitar teaching videos. Probably Hot Licks produced--not sure.
 
crawdad said:


He also did one of those guitar teaching videos. Probably Hot Licks produced--not sure.

That's where I saw the video clip. I had a Rik Emmit video, and they played some clips of some of the other players in the series. Lee was one of them. Amazing chops :)
 
phylboyd--I remember seeing Thumbs Carlisle on a TV show. I couldn't believe what I saw him doing! Oh, and I suppose we should have all picked up D28s for $259 back then! We didn't attach any vintage mystique to guitars back then. They were just guitars and we had no idea what would eventually happen with Fender or guitars in general. [/B][/QUOTE]

I've got a Thumbs album someplace and I'm pretty sure it's been converted to CD, but I can't find it. It'll probably never be reissued and thats a shame, but for now:
http://www.geocities.com/bighollowtwang/ThumbsCarlisle.html

He's a traitor in the photo playing an early Jazzmaster.............. download the song and you'll want to quit.


Those Jazzmasters had their strong points. I had a '66 I think, whatever it was it was the first year with the big pickups and block inlays on the neck. But the Jazzmaster is a whole other story.

Damn, Thumbs was good.
 
philboyd--thanks for that link. I'll check it out for sure! As I remember, I think when I saw Thumbs on TV he was playing a Jazzmaster. Mostly I remember it was a dark solidbody and it wasn't a Tele.

Speaking of wanting to quit, all this Tele talk made me drag out the Stratosphere Boogie CD. Holy mother of lightning clean picking, Batman! Jimmy Bryant was so good, I just shake my head and smile uncontrollably. Do you have any idea what amp he might have been playing through?
 
Oh--and thanks for bring up the Black and White Night Orbison show. Get this--I'm cleaning and packing up a bunch of old stuff in my studio today and I just happened top run across a VHS copy of the show. Gonna watch it tonight!
 
Yeah crawdad, Bruce gives James his due when they roll the credits...a stand up guy.

One of the things I could kick myself for was not going to see the Las Vegas Elvis act when James Burton & company were part of it. It's too long a story as to how I got to know James and Glen D. and Emory Gordy and it doesn't matter except the short version is through Emmy Lou Harris. Anyway, they'd rave about the good times they were having playing the shows and all the comped stuff. They got a $1500 a week residual when they didn't play (which was most of the time) and $3000 when they did, plus perks which included a $2500 marker in most any casino in town plus women. There was a spirit of cooperation then in Vegas that said 'if an act in another casino increases my business, the guys get a freebee'. Elvis at the time doubled business, so things were good for James. Plus an Eldorado or two a year from the king. They'd go, "c'mon, we'll get ya a room, great seats at the show for you and Jeanie, and some time on the tables." I'd go, "yeah, but it's fucking Elvis Presley" Besides, I was driving a tricked out 'Cuda at the time and already had citations on I-15. And besides secondly, they liked Jeanie a little too much.

From Emory I got the drift of what was going on with Elvis since he was kind of the new guy. The king would come out all drugged up and work off energy till he could perform and it was James' decision as to when that was, then, with Elvis looking at him all the time, James would give a slight nod and that meant it was time to kick ass.

I don't think anyone has brought this up before, but when they quit (James and Glen D.), Elvis was not the same and the decline was swift. No one ever, ever quit Elvis before. It wasn't that they didn't like him or the money, but the LA sessions (triple time) and the work with Emmy was becoming a conflict, so they chose to move on.
 
Sorry Thumbs

I misspelled his name, it's Carllile.

But I found the album and I can't find it anyplace else on the net, it's called 'One His Own'. The illustration shows him playing a tele. Sounds like the late '70's with a small combo, except for some tracks with horns and strings that sound kind of 'one take' like.

A bio:
Thumbs Carllile - Biography
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Kenneth Ray "Thumbs" Carllile was an innovative guitar player and songwriter. The son of an impoverished Illinois tenant farmer, he began playing music at the age of eight after his sister Evelyn won a dobro for selling balm. He used the new instrument so much that his irritated sister hid the steel bar, but the resourceful young man began using his thumbs to practice. When his father gave him a Silvertone guitar, Carllile's thumbs were too short and fat to make it around the neck, so he began playing it on his lap like a dobro. Carllile's family moved to Granite City, Missouri when he was ten. There he made his debut playing "Sweet Georgia Brown" during a Ferlin Husky performance. He was tossed out of high school at age 16 for refusing to shave and then began performing regularly with Husky until being discovered by Little Jimmy Dickens during a performance in St. Louis. Dickens was impressed and gave Carllile the nickname "Thumbs," a moniker Carllile never really liked.
From 1949 to 1952, Thumbs played with Dickens' Country Boys. In 1952, he began a two-year stint in the Army's Special Services. He was stationed in Stuttgart, Germany when he met and married singer/songwriter Virginia Boyle in 1955. After his discharge, Carllile played with Bill Wimberley's Rhythm Boys and Red Foley's Troupe. As a soloist, he regularly appeared on the Ozark Jubilee. He met guitar great Les Paul, who was impressed by both Boyle's writing and Carllile's skill and took them to his home recording studio to lay down enough tracks for two albums. Later that year, Carllile sang a duet with Ginny O'Boyle, "Indian Girl, Indian Boy." Two years later he joined the Wade Ray Five and Ray's Las Vegas band. Carllile joined Roger Miller in 1964; later, Miller helped Carllile sign with Smash Records, where he released two albums, Roger Miller Presents Thumbs Carllile and All Thumbs, in 1965. During 1966, he released several singles, including "Let It Be Me," "Caravan," "Blue Skies," and "Hold It." In 1968, he made the album Walking in Guitar Land. Although no singles were released from it, three songs, "It's a Good Day," "Work Song" and "High Noon," found favor with the public.
In 1986, Carllile, whose daughter Virginia had a minor hit with "Stay Until the Rain Stops" in 1980, underwent surgery for colon cancer. After recovering, he began playing on Sagebrush Boogie in Atlanta. In 1987, Carllile was preparing to perform as the opening act for Michael Hedges when he suffered a massive coronary and died. ~ Sandra Brennan, All Music Guide

Sandra Brennan
 
philboyd--thanks for sharing the great stories and the Thumbs bio. I listened to that clip and I just don't see how he could play like that in such an unorthodox manner. But he was incredible.

It sounds like you had some great times and were part of a great musical family. Do you still play?
 
crawdad,

Yeah I still play, a solo thing for some time now. By the mid 70's I got into skiing and was dragging the band all over the place and finally moved away in '78. Started playing here in the desert in '85, it took awhile to figure out what works here. Now I'm going into a fifth year at a resort in Indian Wells and doing casuals and some studio projects. When I started at this resort they had me strolling all over the place wearing a sash and playing flamenco and Italian crap, new management now and they've got me down to weekends and don't care what I do so I hang out in the lounge more often. Like so many, I think a lot of my songs should be hits but the meager royalties tell me otherwise. Sometimes I wish I knew how to do something else.

I knew it would happen, all this talk about Telecasters has me missing my '72 big time, and I'm checking the ads. Locally there's an American Tele for $500 with case. Seems like a good price compared to new and if it's got a maple neck I may take the plunge. Anybody have one of these?
 
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