Teac Burner

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After reading the previous discussion on the Teac CDRW I'm wondering whether I should've ordered one. I was going to go with the Yamaha, but what swayed me on the Teac was it's ability to burn at 1X speed, which I've been told is sometimes important when burning audio. Did I make the right choice? Is the Teac worthy? I have yet to receive it as the unit was back-ordered, so I still have time to change my mind! Should I go with Yamaha instead? Please opine away...
 
Hey Doc
Well TEAC makes a very good product and I think that if you follow the instructions it will work very well. Don't let Nilbog's discussion change your mind. But keep in mind that WIN95/98 sometimes doesn't like to be disturbed. Most times as not with these operating systems the problems come from windows and NOT from the equipment that we want to connect to the computer. Also the configuration of your computer might also have a bearing on how it functions.

Hope this helps ease your mind, But it is a good sturdy unit. ;)

Griz
 
Here's the deal with CD drives...Phillips makes the hardware for almost ALL of them, so in essence, you're buying a Phillips, which pretty much invented the CD in the first place. That's their niche, they develope the stuff, and sell the rights individually until the patent laws run out...

It's all in the software you use. Go with whatever burner you get, but get the BEST software to burn with...Most of the bundled programs that come with the burners are crap...they're good for DATA Cd's and some are adequate for audio, but I'd go with a program made by a company that also makes high-end audio programs for the PC...
 
Thanks for the info guys! I'm actually one of those dreaded macintosh users, Griz. I don't know whether that has anything to do with it. I'll probably user Adaptec's Toast or Jam to burn. I did download the previous string with the various solutions to refer to, however, but Nilbog mentioned the burner's ability to handle error correction and seemed to suggest that Yamaha was the only brand capable of handling this. Do you know if this is true? Can the Teac? Also, what do you know about write speeds in regard to audio. As I mentioned previously, I was told (by a very credible audio engineer BTW) that audio should only be written at 1X...something about it affecting the frequencies...I didn't really understand what he was talking about. Any further info about this would be greatly appreciated!

Dr. X
 
From a one's and zero's point of view, the speed of writing should be irrelevant - that's the advantage of doing things digitally - there is no dergradation between copies. Theoretically, what is on you hard drive is what gets written to the CD-ROM - there's no D/A-A/D conversion in writing a CD-ROM.

I can appreciate that it is possible to introduce errors into the writing of a disk through insufficient buffer size and the like, but that would usually result in a toasted disk. The frequencies shouldn't change as the CD-ROM isn't actually interpreting the data in any way when writing a disc, just copying.

- gaffa
 
Well Doc,
It's like this, Jaffa is correct in his statement that it's all 1's and 0's, and that it makes no diff whether you record your CD at x1 or x99. That's like saying there is a difference in sound coming from an audio only CD, (NOT). Most of the error correcting is done when the disk is read. But you can help to prevent problems on a 4x burner by using say an 8x disk. Buffer under run errors and write behind buffers are what making CD's difficult. As far as using a new MAC I don't have any expertise with them at all. I use an IMATION in my computer and a Tascam RW5000 for field work and haven't had any problems at all. They are both approaching 2yrs old and haven't had to trash even 1 disk yet, and I burn about 20 CDs per week. I think that you will find it a very good deck.

Griz
 
Hey, thanks for schooling me about CDRW guys! And thanks for the recommendation Griz! My mind can rest easy now. I had trouble understanding how the speed of burning could affect the audio as well; but, like I said, it came form an engineer that's been in the business for over 30 years now. Though mabey that's the problem. Perhaps he has lived to long in the analog world. Thanks once again!
 
As it turns out, the audio engineer Dr. X talked to may have been right after all.
It's interesting that while reading Bob Katz's article on Jitter, I found this statement :

"I've also observed that a 4X-speed SCSI-based CDR copy sounds inferior to a double-speed copy and yet again inferior to a 1X speed copy."
Has to do with the recorder's buffer, master clock dependencies, and data transfer . . . resulting in jitter.

I just wonder what quality audio equipment it takes to hear the difference ?
Read the article here if your interested.

http//http://www.digido.com/jitteressay.html

It may be time for some experimentation !

Regards,
PAPicker

[This message has been edited by PAPicker (edited 04-08-2000).]
 
I was reading somewhere long ago (sorry, don't remember where now) about the relationship of write speeds and data integrity.

Every mastering house I have talked with burns MASTER QUALITY CDR's at 2X speed. Not 1X, not 4X, but 2X. The techincal article I read suggested that it had more to do with machanical considerations more than anything else.

It claimed to at 1X speed, the burning was open to lazer errors due to external vibrations that you cannot control while writing (note, it said that 1X speed is okay, just that it takes the real time to burn it which creates more opportunity for external vibrations to come into play). At 4X speed, the actual burner creates these vibration errors (possibly) by spinning the disk at the faster speed. At 2X speed, you half the write time without making the burner vibrate unneccesarily. Makes sense to me, and I use this while burning Master Quality CDR's for clients.

My Sony burner has never shown an error while writing (I have only had one disk not burn properly, and that had to do with me messing around with another app while I was writing, a big no no while writing disks). I have never had a disc come back because of excessive errors on it that made it unusable by a duplication facility. I have made digital copies of CD's on my hard drive using ripping software and using the digial I/O or my soundcard from another CD player with digital out, and burned new CD's of these files that sound exactly like the original CD that where professionally manufactured. So, my EIDE burner is adequate for the job. It does not produce errors in the magnitude that corrupt the disks while writing. You CAN have a disk with many errors on it that will play just fine on a CD player, but would be rejected by a duplication plant. I suspect that way back when (like a year or two ago.. :D) the cheaper CD burners and old computer mother boards that had slow and somewhat unreliable PCI and IDE buss issues could mess up writing "exact digial copies" of the info on your hard drive. But in the now competitive market of CDRW hardware, it would be suicide for a manufacture to produce products that do not have this ability. I suppose the main differences now are how well the hardware will hold up more than anything else and how well the hardware deals with making sure that external vibrations to do disrupt the lazer while burning. It is all getting better as time goes on.

Anyway, 2X speed is standard. Good media is important. Most of it is the same, but I have heard that Kodak's stuff is not all that reliable unless used with their burners (dont' even know where to buy a Kodak burner..).

While burning, don't do anything else. If your system is passing the system tests that hopefully your software interface has available, you should have no problems burning a disk. If you are getting buffer underruns, you have another problem that needs to be looked at. Most likely, you have a screen saver employed (another no no when burning disks..in fact, my Sony HotBurn software detects a screen saver is engaged and will not let me burn the disk untill I change the setting in control panel) or your files are really fragemented if you are getting buffer underruns. So, just make sure that you defrag before burning if you have just did extensive (and I mean extensive) editing, don't have any other app's open, and turn off you screen saver if you are using one (why are they called screen savers still, video monitors have not needed screen savers for several years now, why not call them "cool things to look at if I am not using my computer for awhile... :D), and burn at 2X speed. Your CD's should come out just fine.

Ed
 
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