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The current refund policy was not in place when PAShop joined.

And as always, there is more to the story. I'm not going to go over it again. Read the archives.

I've worked with thousands of bands in my career. Not all of them are happy customers, but I do try.

You guys can keep posting sound bites and sit here bitching all you want. For those that are serious in taking their career to a new level, come visit me at www.indiebiz.com and let's get going.
 
Mr. Hooper

After thinking this over and letting everything sink in, I have come to a few conclusions and would like to share my thoughts with you and everyone here that has been following this thread. I have researched your company and come to the following deduction. There are not any negative things that anyone has to say about your company, other than what has been stated here in this thread and the Copyright Infringement Lawsuit. With that, there are not any positives either, other than the testimonials supplied by you. Which have to be negated because something cannot claim authority about oneself, this has to come from elsewhere. I searched many places looking for positive experiences from others independent of your claims, and found none. So what does this mean, I must say that if you were a crook there would probably be more “negative press” per se. So I have to give you the benefit of the doubt.

However, I remain skeptical for a number of reasons. Your website is screaming of typical of rip-off scams sites. Just check out some of the quick rich scheme websites and you’ll see what I mean. It uses too many key words and trick phrases that are of con in nature. Such as the title of the Web Page is Record Deal, but you don’t offer record deals, you’re a consultant. Actually from what I’ve gathered you steer people away from big record deals and teach them to promote themselves. This sounds like a contradiction to me. Some of the other things that jump out at me are: the word “money” is used over 55 times, a focus on “people not being happy” with their lives or jobs, quitting their day job just to name a few. Your examples (case studies) are all very basic marketing principles; these are not “mega-powerful secrets”. Also you talk about “the secrets of attaining goals”, sounds like motivation to me, another tale-tell sign of a scam artist. You also talk about your, here I’ll quote you from your site.

Quote from INDIEBIZ: “The business world kept spitting me out. I was a bad employee, always challenging authority and bristling at the restraints of the 9-to-5 culture. I can’t stand wearing ties. And I often do my best work late at night, long after the normal workday has ended. The rules, bureaucracy, and conformity of corporate life felt like a prison to me. When I went full-time in music, I had pretty much painted myself into a corner. I had burned bridges, my resume was shot, and I got to the point where I couldn’t stand another day of slaving away… to make someone else rich.”

Hmmm. Now do I really want to take advice from someone like that? Here’s what this says to me. I couldn’t make in the real world, so I had to invent a way to make money by preying on people’s insecurities and fears.

So you couldn’t make it in the “business” (again this is from your website, not my opinion) and now you teach others how to make it in the “business.” Sure, whatever.

Lets talk about the refund, I don’t care what the facts are, it’s a “he said-she said” anyways, (although in my opinion pashop does have a bit more credibility based on the reading of the posts in this thread and his actual contribution to this site) If he was unhappy you should have refunded his money period. Now you have actually dug yourself a hole and now your pride will not let you refund his money, because then you would have to admit you were wrong. The proper response would have been, the first second you heard of it on this board, you say “I didn’t know that happened; let me fix this problem, send me your address and I will see to it you get your refund.” But no you drug yourself down by getting into an argument about “that’s not the whole story.”

Here is the conclusion of the matter.

Personally I don’t care if you are legit or not. I don’t know you and will probably never deal with you. I sure won’t recommend any of my clients to you either.

BUT, since you visit and post to these boards, I would like to see you follow the traditions and practices of this board, like many of the other recording professionals. I will mention some names because; I feel they are to be promoted by their conduct alone on this board.

Ethan Winer, has a company that sells acoustical products for studios, does he promote his website, NO, I’ve seen him mention it once in a year and a half in regards to his specific products. He gladly and freely shares his knowledge on the subject of acoustics and teaches people how to solve their own acoustical problems, in fact I have even called him on his 1-800 number for acoustical advice, which he freely gave and then I placed an order with him. I did not shop around. I ordered from him because of the high level of customer service that I had received personally from Ethan. And guess what I will recommend his services and products.

John Sayers is the acoustical and studio design guru, maybe the best on the planet. Does he come in here and tell you if you are serious about building a studio then you can visit my site and let me design one for your specific needs. NO, He answers specific questions about building and designs. He even modifies sketches/plans for free. He does have a site that has a message board and discussion forum that you can sign up for that only costs…let me see….Oh, it’s FREE also.

Oh I could go on, ok I will…………..

Harvey Gerst, Owner of Indian Trail Recording Studios, he has wrote the definitive guide on microphones, where? Right here….online HRBBS….it is truly a masterpiece. He didn’t write a book and try to sell it, although we would probably be happy to buy it, it is extremely informative. I check out his site periodically and found some headphones, the “MoreMe,” headphones on his site, I actually stumbled across it, it’s kind of hard to find. I read what Harvey had to say, and guess what I bought some and they were exactly what he said, Lets talk about customer service. Harvey will replace these if the break within 6 months free, for only the cost of shipping. Do you know how much abuse headphones take in a busy studio (not that mine is very busy mind you).

There are also some very big names on this board that hide behind an anonymous name so they can freely chat and share information and not be put under the microscope as in the public eye.

I know, what’s in it for them? Hmmm….If I have to explain it, you just don’t get it.

Mr. Hooper this is HOMERECORDING.COM we come here to share information. I ask questions about studio and mixing and I answer computer questions or questions relating to my equipment. I do not come here asking for clients. I have gone back and reviewed a random sample of your posts, they are all pretty much the same. Shoot me an e-mail and I’ll give you that information free, or visit my website if you want to make money. No substance at all, nothing of value. If you have some insight into the music business that you would like to share (which I doubt) we are all for that. I’m sure I speak for many others here as well. If your only motivation is to seek clients, then I for one would relegate your posts as meaningless trifle as well as the services you offer and ask kindly that you leave.

In other words: PIMP YOUR CRAP ELSEWHERE!!!!
 
gatorhaus said:
Mr. Hooper



Lets talk about the refund, I don’t care what the facts are, it’s a “he said-she said” anyways, (although in my opinion pashop does have a bit more credibility based on the reading of the posts in this thread and his actual contribution to this site) If he was unhappy you should have refunded his money period. Now you have actually dug yourself a hole and now your pride will not let you refund his money, because then you would have to admit you were wrong. The proper response would have been, the first second you heard of it on this board, you say “I didn’t know that happened; let me fix this problem, send me your address and I will see to it you get your refund.” But no you drug yourself down by getting into an argument about “that’s not the whole story.”



In other words: PIMP YOUR CRAP ELSEWHERE!!!!

Great.................another person to add to my Christmas Card List

Lots of work went into this one....well done
 
I may not know what freedom is, but i know what "free" AIN'T...

gatorhaus said:
Mr. Hooper...leave.


ooh. pound for pound a straight knock out.


dj flo' dolo
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For the record, PA Shop didn't sign up under this offer. He was on the old IndieBiz service, which was totally different.

And he lied to my assistant, which I have no time for.

You guys are hiliarous. You don't want me around, and I'm not around, except when I have to come to defend myself.

If you don't want me here, stop talking about me.

And if you want advice, hit my free site at www.1-record-deal-music-business.com or else go to www.indiebiz.com and hire me.

This is my business, folks. If it were your business, you'd understand.
 
David Hooper said:
For the record, PA Shop didn't sign up under this offer. He was on the old IndieBiz service, which was totally different.

And he lied to my assistant, which I have no time for.

You guys are hiliarous. You don't want me around, and I'm not around, except when I have to come to defend myself.

If you don't want me here, stop talking about me.

And if you want advice, hit my free site at www.1-record-deal-music-business.com or else go to www.indiebiz.com and hire me.

This is my business, folks. If it were your business, you'd understand.

I never lied to anyone......LETS GET THAT STRAIGHT
I told your assistant I wanted to change my membership from one year to one month because I had made an error.
I did this because I went on your site and discovered there was nothing of any substance on it. I was willing to pay for the month as I did join and I thought it would be the respectable thing to do. I was told by your assistant that there were no refunds when it did state on your site you offered them.
The next time I spoke to you about this was on your forum when you yanked another guy who posted how bad the service was so I posted and got mine yanked as well. ......Your big line back then was " you only get out what you are willing to put in".
I don't give a rats ass about $99.00 in this business it buys you a one way from Detroit to LA and that’s about it. The point was that you offered a service on your front page that you could not in any way deliver. All the facts and information were available for free on all the other indie sites. I’m sure you have come along way since then and if I would have been treated fairly half of this thread would not be here. I would have told folks what I discovered and what had happened and they would have seen a company who they might not agree with but has fair business practices. Now when you do a search on Dave Hooper or Indiebiz this thread is starting to come up. ……..kinda sad.
 
Hooper / Pay the man

David Hooper said:
For the record, PA Shop didn't sign up under this offer. He was on the old IndieBiz service, which was totally different.

And he lied to my assistant, which I have no time for.

You guys are hiliarous. You don't want me around, and I'm not around, except when I have to come to defend myself.

If you don't want me here, stop talking about me.

And if you want advice, hit my free site at www.1-record-deal-music-business.com or else go to www.indiebiz.com and hire me.

This is my business, folks. If it were your business, you'd understand.

Hey Hooper

Why don't you make the money retroactive and change the situation for your self. What's $100 any way. You are getting $500,000 worth of bashing on HRBBS.

I thought about coming by when I came to see my son and when I get to Nashville I would come pay you a visit. Hey you have offered.

Did you ever hear of "5 Star Music"?

Seems when I was in Morocco for 2 years, in the 70's, I was trying to brake into the music world then too, I wrote some of the "Music Guru's" that advertise in the magazines.

Well I took the "legal offer" to the legal department on the Navel Station in Kenetra, Morocco, and they told me it wasn't worth the paper it was written on unless it was signed.

I sent it back to them. They signed it and sent it back. Because the paper work was so generic looking I was still advised against getting involved with them.

I listened. It must have saved me a lot of anguish and $$$.

5 Star Music was "Busted several years ago".

But that was then and this is now.


Pay the man.

D
 
David Hooper said:
For the record, PA Shop didn't sign up under this offer. He was on the old IndieBiz service, which was totally different.

And he lied to my assistant, which I have no time for.

You guys are hiliarous. You don't want me around, and I'm not around, except when I have to come to defend myself.

If you don't want me here, stop talking about me.

And if you want advice, hit my free site at [*******Deleted be cause this is SPAM********] or else go to [*******Deleted be cause this is SPAM********] and hire me.

This is my business, folks. If it were your business, you'd understand.

That's all you had to say? After I wrote all that. Thank you for the links, :rolleyes:

How could he lie when there's no questions asked? Oh right different policy at the time. See what I mean about digging the hole, it's hard to get out ain't it.

I checked out your “free” articles. These are the same ones that Bob Baker has on his site and Bryan Farrish has on his. Hmmm I’m starting to see a pattern with you guys. You did not even write any of these.

The only reason you have been talked about is when someone asked an opinion on your services, which a few people gave from personal experience. Other than that everything has been in reply to your comments. Here’s the bottom line if you actually provide a service of value, then you don’t need this board to drum up business. The reality is: the services that you provide, I provide free to my clients and non-clients. Many of the marketing techniques that you mention I have told people to use. But you know what, in theory a lot of the stuff sounds great, but does not work or requires more hours than in the day to get them to work.

I understand that this is your business. You give advice on how to be successful in the music business, that you were not successful in yourself. It no different than Real Estate seminars that teach no-money down techniques, that do not work or border on being illegal (I’m NOT saying what you do is illegal). Why are all these people teaching others HOW to make money? That is how they make their money, because if they really employed the techniques that they sell, they would not make any money!:eek:

But here’s the sad truth of people. Only about 10% (this figure is my personal opinion) of the people are willing to work for their dreams. Most people settle for what they have in life. Many people’s expectations are very unrealistic. Have you ever watched American Idol? Just watch the audition shows. Here are people with very little talent (about 95% of them at least) and have not done any work, (other than walking down to the tryouts) and think they have a shot at stardom. There are a few on there who have taken vocal lessons and worked and honed their craft and they shine when given the opportunity. These people that get turned away are crushed, because all their life they have been sold the “lie” that you don’t have to work for anything, and its your right to expect something for nothing. They are looking for a quick fix for their problems, a quick way to fame and fortune. Many people portray the music business as this “evil and corrupt” business, and that is why they can’t make it in the business. It has nothing to do with their obvious lack of talent or lack of willingness to work. It’s who you know, right? :rolleyes:

You are right! You shouldn’t have to come here and defend yourself. So why do you? Never mind. If anybody asks what I think of sites like yours, I will give them my opinion. Again this is just that, “my opinion” nothing else. Based on my experience in life. They can choose to make up their own mind. Just like my clients. I have spent many hours with people whom I’ve never taken a dime from, giving advice and “mentoring.” Why do I do that? I’ll let you figure it out. Obviously you don’t get it. I guess if it were my business I would understand, but I'm glad its not my business.;)
 
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orignally posted by David Hooper This is my business, folks. If it were your business, you'd understand.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Don't be such a damn punk, tough guy. if you got the balls to "defend" yourself, then suck it up and eat them hooks to body & jabs to the jaw.

Stick around, just don't try to sell your shit here.
It's real simple, those who contribute here do so freely. Them's the rules that we follow, and the spirit in which we participate, whether they be very new members here or very old. Wherever you fit between those 2 camps doesn't matter, still those who contribute here do so freely. Like I said, them's the rules that we follow, and the spirit in which we participate.

All you've done is refer people to your PAYSITE in response or answer to whatever questions or comments arise.
You keep referring people to your "free" site, but only the pages trying to convince us to pay for your services are free. If it wasn't supposed to make you money, you wouldn't feel the need to protect your livlihood. I mean, it's crystal clear you ain't a not-for-profit kind of guy. You got monthly (yearly?) dues your clients pay to access the information you offer FOR SALE, as opposed to "for free" on your site. It's free to walk into Mickey D's, too, it's even free to smell the food, flirt with the cashier, and order. Thing is, it ain't free to eat. And that's exactly how your site is set up. You whet the appetite, & then charge for the grub...

Now you want sympathy because it's your business, and if it were any of ours, you think we'd understand. Even if we did, it wouldn't matter. The rules of this BBS prohibit what you are practicing here. Just because it's "your business," doesn't mean you don't have to adhere to the same policies that we do. Personally, I don't give a shit whose business it is. I bet it'd be safe to say that no other members here do, either - and if they did, it wouldn't matter. Why? Again, "the rules of this BBS prohibit what you are practicing here." Doesn't even matter about the "spirit" of things, now that I think about it. Though you FEEL justified in hawking your shit & "defending" your name & your company, the rules ARE that no one is allowed to peddle their product here. Even you. If I ask you a question, you should answer it here. You should answer it freely, and also free of charge. I must do the same in order to be a member of this BBS. Those of us who choose not to play by the rules ain't welcome to play at all.

Who are we to enforce it? Well, nobody, I guess. But in that case, neither are you to challenge it with your actions.

I dunno if you're legit or not, and I don't care. I might if you acted like you cared about the very forum in which we "met," but you're continuously disrespecting the very medium for dialogue that we're all using. With that as an introduction, there's no need to move forward, no, there's no WAY to move forward.

originally posted by Dyson Steel You are getting $500,000 worth of bashing on HRBBS

That's hella true, and for you, David Hooper, hella fucked up. The ol' "all publicity is good publicity" routine really holds no water.

As for what you posted earlier about members here being "hilarious," dude, you've only seen a piece of how "hilarious" folks can be protecting what they care about. Any number of members here could carve you out a new asshole simply because you're choosing to toss us all the middle finger, and do shit "your way," because it's "your business." Choose your battles, man. Defending a principle (your rep, since you feel attacked) will only continue to walk you down a fast path to a bad rep, and probably humiliate your ass in front of loads of people. But I guess you already know that, and that's why you keep flailing, trying to fight the good fight even though there really ain't no competitor for you, just some folks who've had less-than-positive experiences with you, and waaaaaaay more folks who don't appreciate how you try to manhandle them, their attention, or their time. I fall into the latter catagory, so I'm speaking out.

You wrote: "If you don't want me here, stop talking about me."

If you'd simply shut the fuck up, all the talking would cease. Then we'd be all greasy again. But it appears that that's too logical, too reasonable, and too difficult a philosophy to embrace.

Nobody posting in this thread made you "look bad." Foolish, maybe. Stubborn, maybe. Useless, maybe. But nobody attacked you, as I see it. If the people who've been posting to this thread chose to "attack" you, I'd bet my last nickel you surely know the difference, and certainly hate the drama.

Play by the rules, or don't play at all.

Don't worry, I won't be jumping in this thread to drag it out any longer, regardless of any posts that may follow, and you've clearly enough to deal with as things stand. I just had to say my piece.

Take it from a guy who doesn't care about or need the services you offer. When all the smoke clears, if you break the rules, you get broke off.

Besides, seeing all the great info, and the people on this site who ARE willing to offer it up free of charge, as smart a guy as you are, surely it should have crossed your mind to not try and hawk what we all offer unconditionally, with no intent to profit from, and again, FREE.

How effing hard is that to understand?

good luck wherever (else) you be.

dj flo' dolo
 
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Flo' Dolo said:
If you'd simply shut the fuck up, all the talking would cease. Then we'd be all greasy again. But it appears that that's too logical, too reasonable, and too difficult a philosophy to embrace.

Ok, fine. It's obvious that I see it one way and you guys see it another.

This is the last post. I'm "shutting up."

Let's see how long you guys will embrace the same philosophy.
 
I think you should post whenever you like....you have tons to offer. Just leave the day gig when you do it.
I do think this thread like the one below should go away....waste of everyones energy............although I love it when Flo writes the out .....he is by far a great undiscovered poet.
 
Who you know?

"Many people portray the music business as this “evil and corrupt” business, and that is why they can’t make it in the business. It has nothing to do with their obvious lack of talent or lack of willingness to work. It’s who you know, right?"

In fairness it is both about talent, hard work and then ultimately WHO YOU KNOW!

I do not subscribe to the view that if someone is simply talented enough that they will 'make it'. We've all seen very talented artists who've worked extremely hard in local bars etc. who didn't get anywhere because they never had a break of meeting someone who could get them through to the 'next level'. The Beatles struggled until they got with Brian Epstein for example. Some talented people never meet their 'Epstein'.

I take your point, that there are some people with no talent who think 'all they need is a break', these are the sad cases who have taken on board the philosophy that you just need to persevere and you'll get there in the end no matter how many times you're told you have no talent.

It's like baking a cake and talent, hard work and knowing the right people are all essential ingredients, miss out one of the ingredients and the recipe fails.

Even with all the right ingredients that cake may end up half baked and unpalatable!! No guarantees!
 
Who you know?

"Many people portray the music business as this “evil and corrupt” business, and that is why they can’t make it in the business. It has nothing to do with their obvious lack of talent or lack of willingness to work. It’s who you know, right?"

In fairness it is both about talent, hard work and then ultimately WHO YOU KNOW!

I do not subscribe to the view that if someone is simply talented enough that they will 'make it'. We've all seen very talented artists who've worked extremely hard in local bars etc. who didn't get anywhere because they never had a break of meeting someone who could get them through to the 'next level'. The Beatles struggled until they got with Brian Epstein for example. Some talented people never meet their 'Epstein'.

I take your point, that there are some people with no talent who think 'all they need is a break', these are the sad cases who have taken on board the philosophy that you just need to persevere and you'll get there in the end no matter how many times you're told you have no talent.

It's like baking a cake and talent, hard work and knowing the right people are all essential ingredients, miss out one of the ingredients and the recipe fails.

Even with all the right ingredients that cake may end up half baked and unpalatable!! No guarantees!
 
Cake!

Stop,Stop,Stop, Your Making me hungry :D,

ROTFLOL

I couldn't resist.
Good View point.


D
 
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