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David Hooper
New member
I don't think so. Just logged in for the day, so if it's in my box, I have not checked it.
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Dyson Steel
New member
TAXI = no gains
Jannae,
I did spend the $$$ on TAXI. Both for membership and song critiques. What a waste.
I was in partners with a guy in N.Texas in a studio. I was several years older than him. We recorded several different bands. And recommended TAXI to some of them. Not knowing much about them except what "MIX", "Home Recording Magazine", and several other magazine issues had to say. Well I learned from experience.
Just like hand making the Supercharged,1934 Dodge Roadster Pick Up, yes "HAND MAKING", which I Drive every chance I get. And the Car world is exactly like the music world.
To get there quick its "Who You Know". But we can get there, without the know. "Bill Gates Did". I love "Garth Brooks Tactics".
There was 1 guy I remember who did get recognition. I don't remember his name but he did the theme for "The X Files".
BTW I can supply some photos of Street Rods I have built and my custom Roadster Pick Up if any one reading this forum has any doubts.
Jannae,
I did spend the $$$ on TAXI. Both for membership and song critiques. What a waste.
I was in partners with a guy in N.Texas in a studio. I was several years older than him. We recorded several different bands. And recommended TAXI to some of them. Not knowing much about them except what "MIX", "Home Recording Magazine", and several other magazine issues had to say. Well I learned from experience.
Just like hand making the Supercharged,1934 Dodge Roadster Pick Up, yes "HAND MAKING", which I Drive every chance I get. And the Car world is exactly like the music world.
To get there quick its "Who You Know". But we can get there, without the know. "Bill Gates Did". I love "Garth Brooks Tactics".
There was 1 guy I remember who did get recognition. I don't remember his name but he did the theme for "The X Files".
BTW I can supply some photos of Street Rods I have built and my custom Roadster Pick Up if any one reading this forum has any doubts.
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Dyson Steel
New member
TAXI=$$$ "NOT"
pashop,
I know exactly what you mean. My band guys could not submit anything. But I could. What a rip.
We had a MP3 site till it shut down. 164,367 plays in 1 year and 11 months. Not bad for some garage band. Sold lots of CD's, Some Cassettes (till they ran out), and were selective on the venues we wanted to play.
We did have a song go to #1 for 3 weeks on MP3. That was around the time they changed the "Pay For Play" and we ended up not making much in royalities there either. But got a lot of exposure.
Had an offer to tour ( I'm to old for that. My bones won't take bucking the fender Quad Reverb amp, 9 - 12 strings, and the rest of the gear), that was pretty lucrative. They took care of all the bookings, motel, gigs, flights, any and all transportation, moving equipment, etc.,etc. $3K for 30 minutes, opening act, and $25k for the main act. One of the guys in the band said it was like a moving fast train. Jump on or get left behind.
Problem 2 of us in the band had was, kids were almost grown and we had been at our present job 19 years. "The sure thing".
So all that being said, my son is co-writing with a Fairly well known band. He has opened for them "solo" on a few occasions before fairly large crowds (12k +) and he is touring. Guess some of my recommendations has worn off.
B/T/W He has turned down 6 label offers. Still contemplating #7. He seems to be getting it where he wants it now. They even paid all the studio fees and his attorny fees for the demo and contract review.
IMPORTANT for those not aware
For those of you looking for that big record deal Don't, Don't, Don't sign away your PUBLISHING RIGHTS, MECHANICAL RIGHTS, SYNC RIGHTS, ETC., ETC. Get a Music Lawyer!!!
pashop,
I know exactly what you mean. My band guys could not submit anything. But I could. What a rip.
We had a MP3 site till it shut down. 164,367 plays in 1 year and 11 months. Not bad for some garage band. Sold lots of CD's, Some Cassettes (till they ran out), and were selective on the venues we wanted to play.
We did have a song go to #1 for 3 weeks on MP3. That was around the time they changed the "Pay For Play" and we ended up not making much in royalities there either. But got a lot of exposure.
Had an offer to tour ( I'm to old for that. My bones won't take bucking the fender Quad Reverb amp, 9 - 12 strings, and the rest of the gear), that was pretty lucrative. They took care of all the bookings, motel, gigs, flights, any and all transportation, moving equipment, etc.,etc. $3K for 30 minutes, opening act, and $25k for the main act. One of the guys in the band said it was like a moving fast train. Jump on or get left behind.
Problem 2 of us in the band had was, kids were almost grown and we had been at our present job 19 years. "The sure thing".
So all that being said, my son is co-writing with a Fairly well known band. He has opened for them "solo" on a few occasions before fairly large crowds (12k +) and he is touring. Guess some of my recommendations has worn off.
B/T/W He has turned down 6 label offers. Still contemplating #7. He seems to be getting it where he wants it now. They even paid all the studio fees and his attorny fees for the demo and contract review.
IMPORTANT for those not aware
For those of you looking for that big record deal Don't, Don't, Don't sign away your PUBLISHING RIGHTS, MECHANICAL RIGHTS, SYNC RIGHTS, ETC., ETC. Get a Music Lawyer!!!
J
Jennae
New member
Actually I have been having a very long discussion with Rick Iantosca about publishing rights and whether or not you sign off or not.
His arguement is that is the publisher is to receive 100%
(as you get 100% as well)
Then you then also have someone out there TRYING to SELL your song as in to get it produced and to make money off of it...
So in that respect I do understand some of where he is coming from.
But then again if you are signing and you have your own material, then labels try to get your publishing as to profit from the song as well.. again both parties receiving 100%
So, although it would be nice to receive the full 200%
you still have to have the time and energy to put your own efforts fourth in order to attempt to get that song sold, if it's not being produced by you. So I guess it's quite the argumentive point... with various angles.
Where Rick when ya need a good debate lol.
So Dyson ya got music?
J~
His arguement is that is the publisher is to receive 100%
(as you get 100% as well)
Then you then also have someone out there TRYING to SELL your song as in to get it produced and to make money off of it...
So in that respect I do understand some of where he is coming from.
But then again if you are signing and you have your own material, then labels try to get your publishing as to profit from the song as well.. again both parties receiving 100%
So, although it would be nice to receive the full 200%
you still have to have the time and energy to put your own efforts fourth in order to attempt to get that song sold, if it's not being produced by you. So I guess it's quite the argumentive point... with various angles.
Where Rick when ya need a good debate lol.
So Dyson ya got music?
J~
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glynb
Balladeer
200% ??
Jen,
Sorry, I may be feeling a bit thick today.
But how can there be 200% of anything? I thought the maximum was 100%.
How can the artists get 100% and the publisher/record company get 100%? Surely they can only get 50% each?
Forgive me if this is BIZ speak and I'm missing the point! What do you mean?
Jen,
Sorry, I may be feeling a bit thick today.
But how can there be 200% of anything? I thought the maximum was 100%.
How can the artists get 100% and the publisher/record company get 100%? Surely they can only get 50% each?
Forgive me if this is BIZ speak and I'm missing the point! What do you mean?
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Jennae
New member
No apologies needed dear
I had this SAME convo many times
I was like wtf 200%????
every penny the song writer gets
is match for the publisher of the song
let me see if I can dig the info up on this for ya
I had this SAME convo many times
I was like wtf 200%????
every penny the song writer gets
is match for the publisher of the song
let me see if I can dig the info up on this for ya
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Dyson Steel
New member
100% + 100% = 200% (really 50%+50%)
Jennea,
There is 200%. Do you understand that if you sign over 100% of the publishing (really 50% as stated) that you will get a smaller share than the "Publisher"?
If there are 4 people in a band that creat (write) a song together then the 100% they retain (which is really only 50%) is divided 4 ways. Lets see, 50 / 4 = 12.5%. The publishing is negotiable just as all the rest of the licenses.
The way you retain partial publishing rights is to form your own publishing company. You send BMI $100, fill out the paper work and send it back, they list you as a publisher and when you get air play you can get a copy of the play list from the station or station's and send it to BMI or they may find it on the list's that they receive from different radio stations. Radio station's are required to send playlist to BMI. Then you get quarterly payments for the air play royality's.
I had Radio air play locally 10 years ago. Never received any royalties from it though. Only from over the net on the MP3.com site.
Yes, I have music. When I listen to my early stuff I wonder why people even liked it. The stuff I do now I guess shows my maturity in song writing and I play better but No one knows how hard it is on a singer losing their vocals, till it is happening. I feel for Tammy Wynette. Built to many custom cars I guess. Breathed to many paint fumes and fiberglass dust, lead fumes, etc.
Thanks for asking.
Jennea,
There is 200%. Do you understand that if you sign over 100% of the publishing (really 50% as stated) that you will get a smaller share than the "Publisher"?
If there are 4 people in a band that creat (write) a song together then the 100% they retain (which is really only 50%) is divided 4 ways. Lets see, 50 / 4 = 12.5%. The publishing is negotiable just as all the rest of the licenses.
The way you retain partial publishing rights is to form your own publishing company. You send BMI $100, fill out the paper work and send it back, they list you as a publisher and when you get air play you can get a copy of the play list from the station or station's and send it to BMI or they may find it on the list's that they receive from different radio stations. Radio station's are required to send playlist to BMI. Then you get quarterly payments for the air play royality's.
I had Radio air play locally 10 years ago. Never received any royalties from it though. Only from over the net on the MP3.com site.
Yes, I have music. When I listen to my early stuff I wonder why people even liked it. The stuff I do now I guess shows my maturity in song writing and I play better but No one knows how hard it is on a singer losing their vocals, till it is happening. I feel for Tammy Wynette. Built to many custom cars I guess. Breathed to many paint fumes and fiberglass dust, lead fumes, etc.
Thanks for asking.
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glynb
Balladeer
Hmmm, it must take a lot of balls to refuse to sign away everything, especialy if you've been trying to get somewhere for years and finaly a record company start to take interest, must be tempting to say WTF I'll sign whatever you want in order to get my name known?
I guess it's a bit like a poker game, you see what they offer, you refuse and want better terms, if they want you badly enough they may agree if they don't they'll give the contract to some other band/artist. If several companies are after you, then you hold the aces and can play them off?
Maybe, ultimately, it's better to sign away everything and become a nationaly known artist who owns none of his work, but can make a living from doing shows, than to retain control of work that no-one ever hears because you've had no promotion and no products out there?
But hopefullyy there can be a sensible middle way?
I guess it's a bit like a poker game, you see what they offer, you refuse and want better terms, if they want you badly enough they may agree if they don't they'll give the contract to some other band/artist. If several companies are after you, then you hold the aces and can play them off?
Maybe, ultimately, it's better to sign away everything and become a nationaly known artist who owns none of his work, but can make a living from doing shows, than to retain control of work that no-one ever hears because you've had no promotion and no products out there?
But hopefullyy there can be a sensible middle way?
ChristopherM
New member
glynb said:
There are bands and artists who've had to work very hard to get out of contracts like this. It's ruined many of them. It happened to the Beatles, who in turn screwed over Badfinger. It happened to Billy Joel, Boston, Aimee Mann, Prince, etc. None of them seemed to think it was better to give away their work.
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Jennae
New member
So tell me then..
what is the down fall on doing this??
Why is it not more common?
I like the idea though. But then again another publisher might be getting the opportunity to get your songs produced by a popular artist, and getting that particualr song making money for you.
Where as as a self publisher...
getting songs you have published to make you money..
or sung by an artist, would propabably be harder to come by... unless you are extremely motivated and have the time to push your songs in efforts to get them sold.
This gives me an idea though...
good discussion though.
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Dyson Steel
New member
Negotaions
Jennea,
I don't know why it's noy more common.
But the beauty of it is you still have a say so when you can negotiate with other publishers.
The more they want, ( if they think you really have a shot with your material), the more they are willing to work with you.
IMO.
There are stories of Artist that "ARE Discovered". But the reality of it is most of the time it is "Who you know". Even my son tells me this.
He has been an observer on the inside and the outside. Rubbed elbows, stood in the shadows, and listened. Rode the tour bus cross country, writing with the artist on the road between gigs, worked as their rodie, sound man, lighting tech, and opened form them. He's not half my age and I have learned a lot from him.
Yes he is Published!! , not by my company, on his songs he is getting royalties for, Retains 25% (50% of 200%) , and the publishing business part of the lables are trying to get him to change that. But he won't budge. He is an incredible writer/ composer.
From his endovers he is getting attention. That is how he has been able to leverage some of his situations to his benifit.
And I retain all of the publishing rights to "ALL" his first writings (which is something one of the contracts he was presented with which had a clause in it having him relinquish "ALL Rights to previously written and composed works").
I did this not to control his money or gain access to the finances but to prevent this sort of situation where he could be ruined. Far as I am concerned its all his. But Legally the publishers will have to come through me for that.
Yes, I am extremely motivated. I am in to way to much stuff and sometimes its hard to stay focused.
I Live no where near Nashville so I can say I'm not on the inside looking out, but on the outside looking in and viewing out through a web-cam.
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Jennae said:
Jennea,
I don't know why it's noy more common.
But the beauty of it is you still have a say so when you can negotiate with other publishers.
The more they want, ( if they think you really have a shot with your material), the more they are willing to work with you.
IMO.
There are stories of Artist that "ARE Discovered". But the reality of it is most of the time it is "Who you know". Even my son tells me this.
He has been an observer on the inside and the outside. Rubbed elbows, stood in the shadows, and listened. Rode the tour bus cross country, writing with the artist on the road between gigs, worked as their rodie, sound man, lighting tech, and opened form them. He's not half my age and I have learned a lot from him.
Yes he is Published!! , not by my company, on his songs he is getting royalties for, Retains 25% (50% of 200%) , and the publishing business part of the lables are trying to get him to change that. But he won't budge. He is an incredible writer/ composer.
From his endovers he is getting attention. That is how he has been able to leverage some of his situations to his benifit.
And I retain all of the publishing rights to "ALL" his first writings (which is something one of the contracts he was presented with which had a clause in it having him relinquish "ALL Rights to previously written and composed works").
I did this not to control his money or gain access to the finances but to prevent this sort of situation where he could be ruined. Far as I am concerned its all his. But Legally the publishers will have to come through me for that.
Yes, I am extremely motivated. I am in to way to much stuff and sometimes its hard to stay focused.
I Live no where near Nashville so I can say I'm not on the inside looking out, but on the outside looking in and viewing out through a web-cam.
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gatorhaus
New member
OK first of let me state that I just found the "Marketing your music" forum today to ask a question about licensing rights.
I stumble across this thread and waste almost two hours of my life, <ponders><is my life this sad>
actually it is better that what was on PBS tonight.
OH NO, I lost an evening I coulda been on the streets promoting my CD.....CRAP, CRAP, CRAP.............
Oh wait I don't have a CD.........Whew..........that was a close one.
You know I did have to check out the Indie(sendyourmoneynow)Biz.scam website.
My gosh it had more words (on the home page) and colors than this thread. It SCREAMED of real estate guru scams. [BTW-If you think you can send in money to learn how to make a lot of money in Real Estate in a week, then you probably deserve parting with the money]
(sorry, had to get it off my chest)
YES, I am RAMBLING, but you made me sit here and read all this crap and NOW you will listen to me.
[Back to the WEBSITE, comments]
Actually, I could not find any artist listed on the site, AT ALL. oh except for fat John and his bad back, raking in the chicks.
Dave, the four case studies on your site, are you willing to provide the actual names of the persons involved and the cities that they live in. Or were those "typical" case studies, not actually anyone real.
Come on Dave......Give us a Break.......
***disclaimer**********************************************************************
if you don't like it, too bad, you can not get a refund, i can't refund the time that you spent reading this
*********************************************************************************
I used to be such a nice boy.
larry
I stumble across this thread and waste almost two hours of my life, <ponders><is my life this sad>
actually it is better that what was on PBS tonight.
OH NO, I lost an evening I coulda been on the streets promoting my CD.....CRAP, CRAP, CRAP.............
Oh wait I don't have a CD.........Whew..........that was a close one.
You know I did have to check out the Indie(sendyourmoneynow)Biz.scam website.
My gosh it had more words (on the home page) and colors than this thread. It SCREAMED of real estate guru scams. [BTW-If you think you can send in money to learn how to make a lot of money in Real Estate in a week, then you probably deserve parting with the money]
(sorry, had to get it off my chest)
YES, I am RAMBLING, but you made me sit here and read all this crap and NOW you will listen to me.
[Back to the WEBSITE, comments]
Actually, I could not find any artist listed on the site, AT ALL. oh except for fat John and his bad back, raking in the chicks.
Dave, the four case studies on your site, are you willing to provide the actual names of the persons involved and the cities that they live in. Or were those "typical" case studies, not actually anyone real.
Come on Dave......Give us a Break.......
***disclaimer**********************************************************************
if you don't like it, too bad, you can not get a refund, i can't refund the time that you spent reading this
*********************************************************************************
I used to be such a nice boy.
larry
ChristopherM
New member
gatorhaus said:
No one actually made you read it
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David Hooper
New member
gatorhaus said:
This site used to be 125 pages of information. A lot of people found that hard to digest, so I consolidated it to one.
The client list and testimonial page was removed. Have some testimonials from just last week that are going up on the new version of the site. Watch for that in the next week or two.
gatorhaus said:
Al McCree is named. The others I can't name because I don't have permission.
Most people know who I am and what I have done, so it has never been an issue.
Again, watch for a new update of the site within the next week or two. It will have more than enough info for you.
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gatorhaus
New member
ChristopherM said:No one actually made you read it
I know.....but it was entertaining I must say
That is true Dave, The case study shows an example of niche marketing, but did you or did you not have anything to do with that. The site does not say, I assume you didn't have anything to do with it, otherwise you would state so. You were just explaining an example of niche marketing. Which Al McCree was responsible for.
As far as permission goes. if you been doing this for 10 years only logic says that you would have some satisfied customers that would only be happy enough to be promoting your services and more than willing to give you permission.
I know, I know, it'll be up in a week or two. [sigh]
Is the only thing you troll these boards for is to promote your sevices or do you have anything to contribute to help? The majority of the Senior Members here actually give advice for free.
That is the purpose of this BBS!! Its a give and take. Not shove your business down the throats of everyone and see how many clients I can get.
BTW,
Did, pashop ever get his money back???? (hmmmmm) probably not worth the harddrive it was written on..........
Just my thoughts...
I will now return you to your regularly scheduled life....
larry
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David Hooper
New member
I've got plenty of satisfied people.
See www.2nmc.com/testimonials for comments on my conference and check back in a week or two for the updated IndieBiz site.
See www.2nmc.com/testimonials for comments on my conference and check back in a week or two for the updated IndieBiz site.
ausrock
Well-known member
And as usual DH lays another smoke screen and fails to answer any specific questions. And David, please don't be so offensive as to suggest we will find answers on your website. As has been pointed out before, this BBS is here for the free exchange of knowledge..........NOT for snake oil salesmen to come and hawk there dubious wares.
If you are not prepared to share pertinent and factual information for nothing, free, zilch, etc., etc. then it is time you moved on.
If you are not prepared to share pertinent and factual information for nothing, free, zilch, etc., etc. then it is time you moved on.
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glynb
Balladeer
The audio testimonials aren't interesting on their own, but its a lot of fun if you click on one after the other and they all play simultaneously ;-)
Then again, I'm easily amused when drunk!!
Then again, I'm easily amused when drunk!!
Flo' Dolo
New member
glynb said:
lol.
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pashop
New member
gatorhaus said:I know.....but it was entertaining I must say
That is true Dave, The case study shows an example of niche marketing, but did you or did you not have anything to do with that. The site does not say, I assume you didn't have anything to do with it, otherwise you would state so. You were just explaining an example of niche marketing. Which Al McCree was responsible for.
As far as permission goes. if you been doing this for 10 years only logic says that you would have some satisfied customers that would only be happy enough to be promoting your services and more than willing to give you permission.
I know, I know, it'll be up in a week or two. [sigh]
Is the only thing you troll these boards for is to promote your sevices or do you have anything to contribute to help? The majority of the Senior Members here actually give advice for free.
That is the purpose of this BBS!! Its a give and take. Not shove your business down the throats of everyone and see how many clients I can get.
BTW,
Did, pashop ever get his money back???? (hmmmmm) probably not worth the harddrive it was written on..........
Just my thoughts...
I will now return you to your regularly scheduled life....
larry
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