Tascam M-30... thoughts?

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Hello everyone,

I have a chance to pick up a Tascam M-30 mixer for pretty cheap. I've got a Tascam 34b and I think the two will go well together.

What are peoples' thoughts on the M-30? I see here that a few people like them, but can someone here "sell" me on the M-30?

Side note: I currently have a Soundcraft EPM8 that I'm sorta-satisfied with, but I'm not in love with it.

I'm really eager to see what you folks have to say. I'm seriously considering getting this mixer. Only $80!
 
There is currently nothing on the market that can match the M-30's versatility, flexibility and sound that doesn't cost well over 1K and still, you'd be hard pressed to find something as compact and functional as the M-30. If this doesn't convince you then nothing will. The M-30 + 34B are a match made in heaven. Ask Dave (A Reel Person) or Gary (Herm) and they'll tell you. :D

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There is currently nothing on the market that can match the M-30's versatility, flexibility and sound that doesn't cost well over 1K and still, you'd be hard pressed to find something as compact and functional as the M-30. If this doesn't convince you then nothing will. The M-30 + 34B are a match made in heaven. Ask Dave (A Reel Person) or Gary (Herm) and they'll tell you. :D

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How are the preamps on the M-30? My main motivation for ditching the EPM8 is that its preamps are hissy junk.
 
I like my m30. The only thing I can say I dont like about a m30 is it doesnt have phantom power. So if you use condencers you will have to get a supply for it.
Also remember these mixers are old and they are not going to sound like the sterile mic preamps that everyone in the digital club likes. They are a warm sound.
 

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I like my m30. The only thing I can say I dont like about a m30 is it doesnt have phantom power. So if you use condencers you will have to get a supply for it.
Also remember these mixers are old and they are not going to sound like the sterile mic preamps that everyone in the digital club likes. They are a warm sound.

That's a good looking setup!

Too bad about the phantom power, though. I'll have to rig something up.
 
How many mics need phantom power supplied to the in your setup??
 
How many mics need phantom power supplied to the in your setup??

Four or more. I use four condensers when recording live at shows, and for doing elaborate "live" recordings in a studio there could be more.

I was thinking, too, that I could modify the mixer and add my own phantom power supply inside the case. IF there is enough room in there. Is the inside of the mixer fairly spacious?
 
There's no extra space in the chassis.

The preamps are fine!:eek:;) ... but sorry,... not lofi!!:eek:;)

$80 is an appreciably good deal. The last one I bought was about $150. They were nearly $1K new!:eek:;)
 

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The preamps are fine!:eek:;) ... but sorry,... not lofi!!:eek:;)

Man, this username is going to haunt me as long as I'm on this board!

It made sense when I was doing live, loud punk show recordings with two dynamic mics and a Marantz cassette field recorder!

Anyway. I could probably do away with my current mixer, the Soundcraft EPM8, once I get this thing, huh?
 
Yeah, the M-30 does indeed lack phantom but this, IMHO, is not a deal breaker, as it makes up for it in other departments.;)

I too use an external phantom box so it's a non-issue for me.

Inside the M-30, from what I recall, is somewhat spacious and certainly nothing like you'd find in the 'busy' 244 / 246 portastudio.:D

The M-30 pres are nice and warm sounding, no obvious hiss / noise, with plenty of headroom and gain.
 
They were nearly $1K new!:eek:;)

Yeah, sometimes people don't appreciate the fact that $1000 back when the M-30 was still made, would be like at least $2000 in today's money and that's a lot of dough for what amounts to just an 8 channel mixer. ;)

lo.fi.love: You're getting a $2000++ mixer for under 100 bucks. Convinced yet? ;)
 
There is currently nothing on the market that can match the M-30's versatility, flexibility and sound that doesn't cost well over 1K and still, you'd be hard pressed to find something as compact and functional as the M-30.

I wanted to come back to this quote. I don't understand why something so well regarded could cost only $80, if it's supposed to beat other, new products in the "up-to-$1000" price bracket.

Is there a catch? Am I missing something, or is the M-30 truly an under-appreciated gem?
 
I wanted to come back to this quote. I don't understand why something so well regarded could cost only $80, if it's supposed to beat other, new products in the "up-to-$1000" price bracket.

Is there a catch? Am I missing something, or is the M-30 truly an under-appreciated gem?

No, no catch, just that the M-30, along with some others, are just under-appreciated or not even known about, especially by new guys wanting to get into analog. Well, maybe there's a catch that the gear is 20 years old and / or requires a bit of TLC but it's still well worth it IMO. Stuff like this ain't never gonna be made anymore, which is a shame.

Word of mouth is powerful and can influence prices substantially. I know that forums such as this and especially users' comments, over the years, have indirectly upped the prices of lesser known gear on the used market etc...
 
I don't understand why something so well regarded could cost only $80

Tascam 58-OB VGC $125
Tascam 48-OB VGC $125
Tascam M-520, needs TLC but all there and will clean up nice $80

Some personal examples from my own collection...I've been baffled myself.

If with cjacek. Like he said:

I think a lot of it at least with the Teac/Tascam gear is that it was regarded as the poor-man's gear of the day even though it was, IMO, well-built and richly featured, and much of it absolutely shines in the sea of "budget" gear of today. A vintage small-format Teac/Tascam mixer will, as you have noticed, cost literally a fraction of the cost of a contemporary mixer with the same channel count, and still have many more features and greater flexibility. For something more contemporary check out the "lowly" Tascam 1508...packed with features you wouldn't find on any other mixer of the day or today in anywhere near that price-range...saw one go on eBay the other day for $60 I think? Needed the PSU but its just a wall-wart and could probably be sourced at Radio Shack...So that's one factor...the market didn't really understand Tascam gear at the time, Tascam didn't really try hard to educate the market, and today I think what little was understood by people outside the circle of knowledge has faded into the shadows. Forum members that lived and worked through that era can shed much more light, but that is some of what I've picked up.

Also, like cjacek said, most people in our fast-food culture don't want to have to dicker. Let's face it...the older it gets, the more TLC it will need. "Old" is so cast-off in our culture. Often times an old mixer, if its going to work "like new", is going to have to be taken apart, cleaned, sometimes recapped and sometimes require some components to replaced. If yer not picky, the symptoms of these things can many times just be ignored and you're up and going right out of the box. But if you do like to explore and learn and get to know your gear and make it function "like new" or in some cases better than new, the "vintage" stuff can't be beat, especially the Teac/Tascam stuff. Silly-deflated market prices, full-featured, sturdily built and great learning tools...built back in the day when stuff was meant to be serviced rather than tossed out, and built with a longer service life in mind.

BTW, another phantom power option would be to wire in another XLR jack on your M-30 (if you get it) and daisy-chain a wire from the new jack to the two wires that carry the phantom power on each MIC input, then you just use a single channel external phantom supply. It'll be a global supply, but this way you needn't worry about trying to fit something inside. This is the way Tascam did it with the MX-80 rackmount 8-channel preamp unit.
 
Hello everyone,

I have a chance to pick up a Tascam M-30 mixer for pretty cheap. I've got a Tascam 34b and I think the two will go well together.

What are peoples' thoughts on the M-30? I see here that a few people like them, but can someone here "sell" me on the M-30?

Side note: I currently have a Soundcraft EPM8 that I'm sorta-satisfied with, but I'm not in love with it.

I'm really eager to see what you folks have to say. I'm seriously considering getting this mixer. Only $80!

It's a very nice package, if you ask me. The sound is very respectable right out of the box. If you are so inclined, it can also be hot-rodded without too much trouble.
As I recall, there is ample room to socket the pc boards, making chip upgrades much easier. Changing out the input transformers will also make a significant difference. Contact Jensen Transformers to choose something appropriate.
 
This is getting me really excited. Hopefully I can pick this up tonight. Problem is that I don't have a car, so I'll be lugging this thing on BART and taking a cab home from the nearest station!

If everything works out, I should be using it this weekend for a recording session w/ a friend. If this happens, I'll post a link somewhere to the mp3, if I can borrow a 2-channel interface from someone.
 
Lugging it on BART?

God,... I'm sorry!

It was a "portable" mixer for it's day. Just a petite 60 lbs, or so!:eek:;)

You work out, right?:eek::eek:;)

/edit/ Nay,... check that! I just weighed mine, and it's 31 lbs, stripped!
Still a real lug on the BART!
It's the M35 that's much heavier.//
 
God,... I'm sorry!

It was a "portable" mixer for it's day. Just a petite 60 lbs, or so!:eek:;)

You work out, right?:eek::eek:;)

/edit/ Nay,... check that! I just weighed mine, and it's 31 lbs, stripped!
Still a real lug on the BART!
It's the M35 that's much heavier.//

It wasn't that bad. I'm a pretty skinny guy but I get my exercise lifting and moving tape decks, mixers, bass cabinets and cases of beer :)

Just got home. This thing is in really good shape. A couple of the EQ pots are scratchy but it shouldn't be too difficult to clean them out.

Stoked!!
 
It's a very nice package, if you ask me. The sound is very respectable right out of the box. If you are so inclined, it can also be hot-rodded without too much trouble.
As I recall, there is ample room to socket the pc boards, making chip upgrades much easier. Changing out the input transformers will also make a significant difference. Contact Jensen Transformers to choose something appropriate.

Do you have any links for information on modifying the M-30? I'm mostly clueless about electronics. What would one accomplish by changing the input transformers?

What kinds of things have you heard of people doing to these mixers? I'm really curious!

Thanks!
 
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