Tascam Cassette 4-track Appreciation Thread...Vote For Your Favorite!

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What is your favorite Teac/Tascam cassette 4-track "Portastudio"?

  • Teac (Tascam Series) 144

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • Tascam 244

    Votes: 17 15.3%
  • Tascam 246

    Votes: 22 19.8%
  • Tascam 414 series (414, 414mkII)

    Votes: 9 8.1%
  • Tascam 424 series (424, 424mkII, 424mkIII)

    Votes: 34 30.6%
  • Tascam 464

    Votes: 4 3.6%
  • Tascam 644

    Votes: 9 8.1%
  • Tascam Porta 02/03 series (02mkII, 03, 03mkII)

    Votes: 4 3.6%
  • Tascam Porta 05

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Tascam Porta 07

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Tascam Porta One

    Votes: 6 5.4%
  • Tascam Porta Two series (Porta Two, Porta Two HS)

    Votes: 2 1.8%

  • Total voters
    111
Voted 246 for having the best fader-feel in its mixer section...but the 464 is right there.
Most of the larger units are winners I'd be interested in owning/using.
 
I remember seeing the Amstrad
in Comet years ago in the UK always wondered if they where any good

NOTHING! Amstrad EVER did was any good! They could not even make a satellite tuner 50Hz power supply last more than 6 months.

Sugar must have paid an enormous sum to somebody (or more likely had the dirt on a Royal!) to get his gong.

Awful, awful man.

Dave.
 
I didn't vote, but...

Voted 246 for having the best fader-feel in its mixer section...but the 464 is right there.
Most of the larger units are winners I'd be interested in owning/using.
I think the 246 is best for it's 6-channel, 4-buss, 2-band sweepable EQ, vintage button/switch/large VU meter configuration. With very few serious shortcomings, it is the fullest package feature-wise. It also has excellent fidelity on tape & is pin-drop quiet.

I think the 2-band sweepable EQ is the best of the bunch (244/246) & is more flexible overall. Being a 6x4 mixer it's of higher utility than all the others (except the 644, but the 644 is sometimes too hi-techy for people). I think a higher quality & fuller feature set on a device will, to a certain extent, enable you to make better sounding recordings. I also think they made things with higher quality components back in the the 246's day, which I believe makes a subtle difference in sonics. YMMV.

I like them all, though. I abstained from voting, so far.
:spank::eek:;)
 
The earlier generation units (244/246) had vertical cards for each input strip on the mixer while the later units are all single horizontal PCB integrated designs...everything about the earlier units is a more rugged design...which is why they weigh more. I've done deep-dive work on the 488 mkI, 688, 644, and 424 mkII. There is a certain degree of *fragile* with each of these as far as handling them when you have them opened up and are working on them compared to the 244/246. I still say the 246 is my all-time fav even though I've never owned one, much for the same reasons you cite, Dave...classic analog VU's, push-switches, and the internal design I spoke of above...all through-hole component construction at the board level. But I've owned and used the 424 mkII for many, many years and am most familiar with it inside and out...an old friend...nice balance between bells and whistles and bare essentials...so its hard for me to think of using or owning anything different long-term when it comes to a cassette portastudio.
 
I need an audio interface with 4 inputs/outputs to transfer 424mkiii recordings into logic pro x. any advice and detailed info would be greatly appreciated
 
Behringer UMC404HD for $175. You might find it cheaper at Musicians Friend if you have one of their 15% off coupons, or if not, give them a call.
 
I voted for the porta 05. I learned on a 414mkii and replaced it with a 424mkiii and these days most of my cassette recording is on a Yamaha mt8x (fantastic machine and I don’t even use the built in mixer) and a fostex M80 and an Otari 4 track. Somewhere around the time I bought the 424 I found the 05 in box with manual mostly mint for sale from a fundraiser auction. MAN it sure isn’t as high fidelity as the 424 but I LOVE it’s preamps and how well it took virtually all signals on those first two channels. Bass direct in on it is a lofi dream. Sketchy DI guitar works. And it handles line level signals well. Great for drums or samples in beatmaking. It’s just REALLY grimey but with good technique you can still get as decent of a 1 7/8 mix off of it as any other mini studio I think. Lots of guys love the porta one and two which appears to be a better deck with more features and tape outs which I’d agree I’d appreciate, still I have always loved just stepping away from the mackie mixer and my other machines and monitors and just putting on headphones and working out stuff on that little machine. It takes me back to when I was a 13 year old kid learning on my 414. I don’t abuse it because I love it. Apparently they made a high speed porta 05 as well and some months back I saw a bunch of basically B stock ones for sale. I should grab more! It’s as bare and raw as it gets excluding 2 fader designs like fostex x15 or the smaller porta 03. It isn’t quiet it isn’t always clear sounding but it is really funky and mushy and colorful in a beautiful way I think only the 144 with its low speed and Dolby B might also be but I haven’t been able to try one. Anyways thanks for listening to my love letter to this grimey deck.
 
I voted for the porta 05. I learned on a 414mkii and replaced it with a 424mkiii and these days most of my cassette recording is on a Yamaha mt8x (fantastic machine and I don’t even use the built in mixer) and a fostex M80 and an Otari 4 track. Somewhere around the time I bought the 424 I found the 05 in box with manual mostly mint for sale from a fundraiser auction. MAN it sure isn’t as high fidelity as the 424 but I LOVE it’s preamps and how well it took virtually all signals on those first two channels. Bass direct in on it is a lofi dream. Sketchy DI guitar works. And it handles line level signals well. Great for drums or samples in beatmaking. It’s just REALLY grimey but with good technique you can still get as decent of a 1 7/8 mix off of it as any other mini studio I think. Lots of guys love the porta one and two which appears to be a better deck with more features and tape outs which I’d agree I’d appreciate, still I have always loved just stepping away from the mackie mixer and my other machines and monitors and just putting on headphones and working out stuff on that little machine. It takes me back to when I was a 13 year old kid learning on my 414. I don’t abuse it because I love it. Apparently they made a high speed porta 05 as well and some months back I saw a bunch of basically B stock ones for sale. I should grab more! It’s as bare and raw as it gets excluding 2 fader designs like fostex x15 or the smaller porta 03. It isn’t quiet it isn’t always clear sounding but it is really funky and mushy and colorful in a beautiful way I think only the 144 with its low speed and Dolby B might also be but I haven’t been able to try one. Anyways thanks for listening to my love letter to this grimey deck.
Ahhh the Porta 05…I have only one experience with the Porta 05, and while I wouldn’t ever buy one for myself (mainly because for cassette multitrack I have a 244), the Porta 05 sits in a special spot for me. Over a quarter century ago I enjoyed a number of spontaneous jam sessions in the basement with guitarist and bassist friends of mine at the bassist’s house…amazing musicians. It was all improvised, instrumental, grunge/surf/jazz and other flavors, and shortly after we started jamming the first time we grabbed whatever was in the room to record the session, which was a Porta 05, some used normal bias cassettes, and a single Unidyne 57 hanging from the ceiling by the mic cable on a nail. It wasn’t a big basement…like big bedroom sized, low ceiling, egg cartons and moving blankets on the walls. But all the sessions have this particular ratty ambiance to them that the room didn’t even have. And I can hear some kind of ducking compression or something…it’s weird. But I love these tapes, and I’m pretty sure the kind of ratty greasy sound, but still with a decent amount of fidelity to it, has something to do with, in part, the Porta 05. It’s like there is some kind of reverb. But there was none. Anyway, I remember for sure it was a Porta 05 because they have a distinctive appearance. Here’s a sample of one of the sessions:

 
Ahhh the Porta 05…I have only one experience with the Porta 05, and while I wouldn’t ever buy one for myself (mainly because for cassette multitrack I have a 244), the Porta 05 sits in a special spot for me. Over a quarter century ago I enjoyed a number of spontaneous jam sessions in the basement with guitarist and bassist friends of mine at the bassist’s house…amazing musicians. It was all improvised, instrumental, grunge/surf/jazz and other flavors, and shortly after we started jamming the first time we grabbed whatever was in the room to record the session, which was a Porta 05, some used normal bias cassettes, and a single Unidyne 57 hanging from the ceiling by the mic cable on a nail. It wasn’t a big basement…like big bedroom sized, low ceiling, egg cartons and moving blankets on the walls. But all the sessions have this particular ratty ambiance to them that the room didn’t even have. And I can hear some kind of ducking compression or something…it’s weird. But I love these tapes, and I’m pretty sure the kind of ratty greasy sound, but still with a decent amount of fidelity to it, has something to do with, in part, the Porta 05. It’s like there is some kind of reverb. But there was none. Anyway, I remember for sure it was a Porta 05 because they have a distinctive appearance. Here’s a sample of one of the sessions:

Just listened to a little bit, but it sounded as good as any of those bootleg Grateful Dead concert tapes floating around in the 70s
;)
Remember those days when you’d pull in to a gas station and get bootleg 8 track tapes on the cheap? :)
 
I had to vote for the 424. My first multitrack was the original formula 424, and having stupidly sold it and later realizing I still had unmixed masters on cassette, I picked up a Mk III. Of course, now I can't find where the 424 masters got packed away.
 
Bumping up an old post. I was just in the mood to explore vintage cassette multitracks- thus I have been watching various tutorials on You Tube, and I was curious on current prices for Tascam portastudios on Reverb and Ebay.

I am surprised that prices for ones that still work well or refurbished are fairly high, $400, 5, 600... for a Tascam 464, or 424MK II.

I noticed a Porta 05 for alot less that works well, not sure if its worth it for about $200, compared to spending double that amount and more for a 424II or 464 which I heard had good reputations in terms of their overall reliability.

I would be inclined to get an inexpensive Porta 05 if any of its limitations could be improved/bypassed by connecting it to an external mixer, I have several: 2A/MB-20, M-106, M-30, and M-1516.
 
This review was not so great, thus why I was wondering if an external mixer connected to the Porta 05's line out jacks could help with overcoming some of the 05's limitations when recording/mixing.

 
You’re not going to gain anything by using an external mixer. There is no way to bypass the Porta 05 mixing section going in or coming out of the Porta 05…no direct buss inputs to the recorder section (not unusual for a cassette-based all-in-one multitrack device), but also no direct outputs from the recorder section…no tape out jacks from each track. So you’ll just be adding the noise and distortion of your external mixer to the Porta 05’s mixing section, which, looking at the schematics, is a substantially unremarkable signal path. Perfectly usable but pretty garden-variety, and one of the great Achilles heels as I see it is the very low headroom afforded by the unipolar +11-15VDC power vs most other cassette multitrack units which are bipolar +/-12V audio rails, or even better with machines like the Audio Technica AT-RMX64 which are +/-15V. Other detriments of the Porta 05 are the standard 1 7/8ips tape speed and mechanical transport controls. This shouldn’t be taken as a dis on the Porta 05 from me, I’m just pointing out the things I see that would contribute to its regard as a lower-tier machine compared to the 244, 246, or 424 series machines…464 and 644 as well.

For some time now my opinion is the 244 is the sweet-spot of you’re looking for the best balance of sound and reliability and features. It lacks later transport section sophistication that came with the 400 series units such as basic autolocate and auto-punch features, and the head tech on the later machines offers better HF spec, but the the signal path is garden-variety on the 400 series machines compared to the 200 series, and hands-down the design and build quality and components on a 244 are going to outlast any 400 series machine and be more serviceable/repairable. The thin monoplaner mixing PCB assembly with its small slide switches and small and flimsy horizontal-mount plastic-shafted pots and all the plastic were a cost-savings measure with the 400 series generation that just don’t last like the individual vertical PCBs with proper toggle switches and metal pots on the 244…there’s a reason a 244 weighs twice as much as a 424. That’s my 2 pence. I’m a fan of the 424 series, but given a choice between a 244 and a 424 I’d take the 244.
 
It's the infamous 234-L low speed version and you can disable the third track for slide presentations.

What does this mean?

Years ago, I used a Spindler/Sauppe cassette deck that included a 3rd track for controlling two slide projectors. I would do a program on my R2R deck at home, transfer it to cassette, and then add a slide presentation. One was a promotional program that we used for customer visits, others were for training and sometimes for presentations for investigations of customer problems. That's also when I learned to develop E6 slides. A couple of us in the lab did everything in house.
 
You’re not going to gain anything by using an external mixer. There is no way to bypass the Porta 05 mixing section going in or coming out of the Porta 05…no direct buss inputs to the recorder section (not unusual for a cassette-based all-in-one multitrack device), but also no direct outputs from the recorder section…no tape out jacks from each track. So you’ll just be adding the noise and distortion of your external mixer to the Porta 05’s mixing section, which, looking at the schematics, is a substantially unremarkable signal path. Perfectly usable but pretty garden-variety, and one of the great Achilles heels as I see it is the very low headroom afforded by the unipolar +11-15VDC power vs most other cassette multitrack units which are bipolar +/-12V audio rails, or even better with machines like the Audio Technica AT-RMX64 which are +/-15V. Other detriments of the Porta 05 are the standard 1 7/8ips tape speed and mechanical transport controls. This shouldn’t be taken as a dis on the Porta 05 from me, I’m just pointing out the things I see that would contribute to its regard as a lower-tier machine compared to the 244, 246, or 424 series machines…464 and 644 as well.

For some time now my opinion is the 244 is the sweet-spot of you’re looking for the best balance of sound and reliability and features. It lacks later transport section sophistication that came with the 400 series units such as basic autolocate and auto-punch features, and the head tech on the later machines offers better HF spec, but the the signal path is garden-variety on the 400 series machines compared to the 200 series, and hands-down the design and build quality and components on a 244 are going to outlast any 400 series machine and be more serviceable/repairable. The thin monoplaner mixing PCB assembly with its small slide switches and small and flimsy horizontal-mount plastic-shafted pots and all the plastic were a cost-savings measure with the 400 series generation that just don’t last like the individual vertical PCBs with proper toggle switches and metal pots on the 244…there’s a reason a 244 weighs twice as much as a 424. That’s my 2 pence. I’m a fan of the 424 series, but given a choice between a 244 and a 424 I’d take the 244.
Hello SB:

I always appreciate the useful info you provide. You are correct in that the Porta 05 and similar Porta models to that one have various limitations.

I'm not sure what took hold of me to get an urge for a vintage cassette multitrack, but I was just browsing at the two main places I usually explore which is Ebay and Reverb. Overall, whether its open reel recorders, or cassette units, I noticed the selection at both places was not so great- not too many "great deals" jumped out at me. I agree with you that the 244 is a nice model, and I love upright VU meters, but from what I saw at both sites, whichever Teac/Tascam models are available, their condition is questionable- most are listed for parts and not working, and/or located long distance away in Japan and so forth. And I am surprised at how expensive these machines are being listed for, other than the Porta 05s and similar.

I soon realized the model that seemed to stand out is the 424 MK II or III. And for those, its hard to find anything under $450. Some folks want 600, 700..., sigh... I actually got tempted and put in an offer for a very clean condition 424 MK III and I found out a short while ago, it was accepted ($375 + shipping & tax). So, looks like I will have a new 'toy' on the way.

I see that in the Op manual hookup diagram (unlike the Porta 05), there is an option to connect an external mixer to the Sub In of the 424 III, which I would be interested to try, as it would allow me to just use the mixers I have and not let them sit inactive too long, my mixer collection being: 2A/MB-20, M-106, M-30, M-1516, and the MX-80 & M1B.

ps: I recently acquired a third Teac A-3440 in a trade deal. I have two other good ones, but I got this 3rd one specifically as a unit to tinker with, so I could learn to be a bit handy taking things apart, and not worry about doing that instead on the good units and accidentally messing something up.

The "tinkering" A-3440 is a 1981 model (the two digit code tells me that next to the serial #). Recording studio on Long Island did not want it, so I offered a trade for some extra stuff I had and I was able to pick it up in person recently. The right spindle was bent, but I was able to replace the circular piece with a spare I got on Ebay. I also have a set of hubs on the way for the larger reel size.

The main issue at this time is that Play function does not work, nor Pause. But FF, RW and Stop are fine. I tried lifting the pinch roller to the capstan to see if would play, still did not. I looked inside and noticed a missing fuse and another one that did not beep when did a continuity check with my meter, so I replaced the two fuses. but still.. Play does not work. I then realized when looking in the back again, there is no thrust/angle plate by the flywheel- so I have that part on the way as well- i dont know if putting it on would get 'Play' to work, I shall see...

I have the manuals and Les Carpenter's online writeup of the A-3440 circuitry, and I have read about typical A-3440 issues- such as the hardened grease, or the control board, specifically a transistor and cap on that board that seem to affect Play if they are bad.

Thus, I get the feeling I might have to check that board. But I am not very handy, mechanically. Put a guitar in my hands,thats comes alot easier to me. It was not hard to replace the circular spindle piece- just three screws, and fuses are easy, the fuse board is right on top, but everything else seems packed inside, so I have to learn how to take various things apart step by step until I develop some proficiency in doing it that I hope comes with just trying and practicing.

Well, I wanted a unit to tinker with, so now I get to tinker :)
 
The SUB IN path is intended for receiving the stereo submix of an external mixer. It allows you to record to the 424 mkIII from the L/R buss two tracks at a time, or introduce an external stereo submix during mixdown.

My 2 pence: don’t worry so much about trying to figure out how to use all the stuff you have, and just use something. The mixers you have are not going to perform any better than the mixer onboard the 424 mkIII IMO, so maybe just have fun with the 424 mkIII.
 
I have a 424mkiii and a 464 (Japanese version). At this point I just basically run vst drums from my DAW into them and then back into the DAW. Doesn't really give me what I guess I'm trying to get...that is some kind of natural compression and smooth high end/ high end roll off or grit or whatever. Truth be told, the fidelity is pretty faithful. I don't hear too much of anything having run drums through them.
 
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