Tascam 388 Track 1 / 3 Crosstalk / Bleed

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Yes, the R/P card swap resulted in no change of symptoms...

I feel like soon I will need to start swapping all the parts and start chasing those ghosts...
 
Could this be because of something being connected incorrectly?
 
No, don’t chase. No ghosts. That always creates more ghosts. Sweep the ghosts away with methodical objectivity.

The signal from the tape head goes through wires to the head connector, then to the motherboard, then to the R/P amp cards, then to the motherboard, then to the dbx cards, then back to the motherboard, then back to the R/P amp cards, then to the motherboard again, and from there to the TAPE OUT jacks where it also fans out to the input cards and BUSS A PCB (where it goes to the monitor mixer and meter amp assembly). You swapped cards (both R/P and dbx), and the problem didn’t follow. So it’s not the cards. You flipped the tape and the recorded signal is actually fine, so it’s not the record electronics or anything upstream of the record electronics all the way to the input…and you tested this redundantly by recording to track 3 and flipping the tape…reproduced signal was appropriately on track 6, not tracks 6 & 8…it’s happening on playback. There is no logic circuitry carrying audio signal between the R/P head and TAPE OUT jacks, so it’s not a logic issue….like, there’s no way for signal to short across channels through logic circuitry. Logic circuitry controls the state of the channels on the R/P amp card, between record or reproduce, but logic doesn’t allow those channels’ audio signals to cross paths as a result of faulty control signal, which would allow the problem to occur regardless of which card is installed. But this isn’t the case, and any problem like this would be a fault of the card and would follow a swap. It doesn’t. So it’s not. And the symptom is the same across all 4 destinations after the output of the R/P amp card (the TAPE OUT jacks, input section on RMX setting, monitor mixer channels and track meters)…it is a “global” problem at that point, so the problem is upstream of that point and either somewhere between where the R/P amp card plugs into the motherboard, and where signal splits at the TAPE OUT jacks on the jack PCB, or it is between the head cabling and the motherboard where repro signal is input to the R/P amp card. So now is the part where we start tracing signal and I don’t know how easy that is for you. You’ve done a lot of work so far so I’m assuming you have some skill and some equipment.

At this point you need to be able to record test tone to tape, and you need a DMM to probe for that signal. 400Hz or 1000kHz test tone is fine. Record tone to a blank section of tape. Longer is better so you don’t have to keep stopping and rewinding. Record tone, and start at the end of our identified block where we’ve determined the issue could reside, which is the TAPE OUT jack. We’re going to start there and work our way backwards to where the fault stops. The TAPE OUT jacks 1-4 plug into the MOTHER (1) PCB (the big one that mounts the R/P amp cards, dbx cards, etc.) via a white 4-pin connector J117 for tracks 1 & 2, and a red 4-pin connector J217 for tracks 3 & 4. Unplug J117 & J217. Set your DMM to AC volts, and clip the common (black) probe to the 388 chassis. Reproduce your recorded test tone. Probe P117 pin 1 on the motherboard, which is track 1, and P217 pin 1 on the motherboard, which is track 3. You should only have signal on P117 pin 1. Is it only there or is it also at P217 pin 1? I’m guessing it’s on both.

Report back.

Ask questions if you have them.
 
Could this be because of something being connected incorrectly?
I don’t think so…the connectors don’t allow you to double-up connections. But regardless, if there is some way I’m not thinking of, the process should hone in on the fault.
 
I HAVE SOLVED THE MYSTERY!!!

I think You should know this issue, because You must have definitely encountered it before. I have followed Your “Tascam 388 Story” thread some years ago and I have seen that You were using the same capacitors as me.

So, I started by following Your guidance to record a test tone to a blank section of the tape by using TEAC TO-122A to record a 400Hz signal. While reproducing the 400Hz signal, the measurement from P117 (Pin 1) was 0.280V and P217 (Pin 1) was 0.001V. To my understanding these readings were as they supposed to be.

While doing this test I have encountered the biggest clue of this whole story... During playback of the 400Hz Test tone, I have noticed that the Track 8 "OL" bulb was shining red and the Input section was set to "Mic", not "RMX". But there was nothing connected to Track 8... If I have switched it to "Line" or "RMX" the light would turn off and If I would stop the playback, the light would go out as well if it was set on "Mic".

I have plugged the headphones right away and tried to listen if there was anything audible. Yes, it was!!! During playback, even if there was nothing on the tape at all, if the Track 8 was set to "Mic" there was a very strong signal. Switch it to "Line" - much weaker one, switch it to "RMX" - nothing. If I would stop the tape - dead quiet on "Mic", "Line" and "RMX".

My immediate thought was - THE C111 CAPACITOR on the Input (8) PCB must be touching BUSS A PCB!!! Nichicon (MUSE BP) capacitors are slightly bigger than the original ones. Even tho I have used the same cover for it and to me it looked like a sufficient distance to protect it from touching the PCB above, it clearly wasn't. So I took the Input (8) PCB out, placed a proper barrier on top if and now I have all 8 Tracks working flawlessly!!!

It's definitely the only spot on the Tascam 388 that a short could happen due to the distance of the components. There's plenty of room anywhere else on the 388, but as You know - it's a pretty tight fit over there.

Now we know what EXACTLY happens if C111 is touching the BUSS A PCB.

Thank You for Your time : )
 

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Fascinating. What exactly happens when C111 touches the BUSS A PCB would depend on exactly it is touching. In your case it propagated the pre dbx processing track 1 reproduce signal to the track 3 channel. C111 is the repro level trimmer output coupling capacitor. From there the signal goes to the dbx assembly. So, depending on how and with what the cap comes in contact, in your case the post-repro level trimmer signal contact something that is in the track 3 reproduce channel path, and early enough the signal could feed back to where the signal branches to the input section and TAPE OUT jack. I expect that if you used noise reduction on your track 1 recording, the signal bridged to the track 3 channel would have healthy signal level but would be noisier as the dbx decode operation would not be applied.

Yes. It is important that stuff that wasn’t touching other stuff continues to not touch other stuff after we work on it. Consider yourself lucky. The outcome could have been much, much worse. I might be speaking from direct experience.
 
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