TapeandTape Opportunist thief

thanks for everything

Ok. I'll take the, as usual, exellent advice one always gets on this forum.

The one inch tape by the way, is for my Brenell mini 8, which in my opinion makes digital sound like tinny plastic. Today I'm awaiting delivery of a Philips EL 3302, the 3rd cassette recorder ever I think. I can't bloody wait!!1968 I believe!
 
FALKEN said:
MCI,

I would have thought the opposite....that the 2" tapes have been run 2000 times by pro studios and the 1/4" maybe only 15-20 times by home studios. ?

as to the 2" deck, you might want to ask Blevins for their opinion. blevinsaudioexchange.com .

Almost all pro studios charge the client for tape. When the project is done, the client walks with the tape. Not many clients have a way to play the tape back, so most 2" tape is virtually unused. My reels are awesome and absoulutely were handled very well. You can usually judge beat tape by how it is packed and how the tails look.
 
MCI2424 said:
When the project is done, the client walks with the tape ...
...that was purchased from tapeandtape-guy (oooops, I mean, "company", since it's rather "them").?


So the client walks, - and happily so. :D
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btw, I want to see the face of that "home studio person" who records something on the same reel of any kind of tape 2000 times. OK, forget 2000, let's say - 20 / 50 times. And, then, recording WHAT? I mean, there are strange individuals out there, I suppose. Commonly in "home studios" not much recording is going on to begin with. But when and if it comes to recording in 'home studio' - then commonly there's more than enough of new tape on a small shelf to chill the urge and to cover the need. ;)
 
It's too bad that some dealers like this have to sell bad products and get away with it. Just so you know....we sell brand new fresh RMGI tape at and also have a good inventory of NOS AMPEX 632 (same as Quantegy 632). We found the Ampex in a climate controlled warehouse and bought all they had. It has been an outstanding tape with absolutely no problems. We stand behind everything we sell. A business is worthless without customers.
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Dr ZEE said:
...that was purchased from tapeandtape-guy (oooops, I mean, "company", since it's rather "them").?


So the client walks, - and happily so. :D
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btw, I want to see the face of that "home studio person" who records something on the same reel of any kind of tape 2000 times. OK, forget 2000, let's say - 20 / 50 times. And, then, recording WHAT? I mean, there are strange individuals out there, I suppose. Commonly in "home studios" not much recording is going on to begin with. But when and if it comes to recording in 'home studio' - then commonly there's more than enough of new tape on a small shelf to chill the urge and to cover the need. ;)

TapeTape co. WAS not 1 guy (a few years ago) It was a small warehouse of used tape. They advertise and buy lots of tape from everywhere. I have not seen many 2" reels in my life that were used any more than tracking and mixing as every studio that records for money uses new tape for every band and every project. Once the band is done with the tape, they own it. When they are in need of money, they sell the tape to places like TapeTape because they can't play it and it becomes useless to them. Some re-use it for other projects, but a majority of 2" owners do the studio thing once and have a white elephant in their hands.

Home recorders use their tape for many more passes and never even think about it as they are not on the clock, and are not paying by the hour.
Virtually everyone here erases and re-uses their tapes many times and absolutely don't "count" their passes.
 
True

When my 24 track was up and running (will be again I hope!) I either sold the new tape or leased it and in the case of leasing I tell the bands if they don't want it within 6 months I will record over it. Hence, I have loads of 2 inch with very few passes or new tape only and everyone's happy. You don't want drop outs when you're doing it for money, not fair on the band and REALLY not good for the image of the studio!
 
tapeboy said:
When my 24 track was up and running (will be again I hope!) I either sold the new tape or leased it and in the case of leasing I tell the bands if they don't want it within 6 months I will record over it. Hence, I have loads of 2 inch with very few passes or new tape only and everyone's happy. You don't want drop outs when you're doing it for money, not fair on the band and REALLY not good for the image of the studio!

That is the industry thing. 2" tape can be 10 years old and still be "one-pass" easily. I only buy new 1/2" and 1/4" because I know any used tape will probably be played to death. I know alot of home reccers who go through a reel in a year and record almost everyday! They just do a song, mix it and erase for another.
 
Dr ZEE btw said:
"home studio person"[/I] who records something on the same reel of any kind of tape 2000 times. OK, forget 2000, let's say - 20 / 50 times. And, then, recording WHAT? I mean, there are strange individuals out there, I suppose. Commonly in "home studios" not much recording is going on to begin with. But when and if it comes to recording in 'home studio' - then commonly there's more than enough of new tape on a small shelf to chill the urge and to cover the need. ;)

I have plenty of tapes with 50 passes on them easily. Why??

sometimes it takes 20 passes just to get the mix right! Plus I am swapping master tapes with my multitrack tapes, and recording quite a few band practices, jams, etc. I am definitely NOT buying new tape to record ideas or a jam or something.

But to be fair the "Pro" studios often do lease tape over and over.
 
there is no one pass 2" tape

Lets see. Based on my very limited experience with 2" at a friends studio in the 80's all 2" tape was at least 10 passes if not more.

First pass would be to lay down the timecode track (If Greg was using time code) then the second pass would be to lay down a few tracks of whomever was there. But the drums sucked to let's lay that one down again. And we decided to add this in so rewind and lay this track down again. And if you were lucky you only had to do this 5 times.... Oh and then there is the mixing to do.

It appears that the 2" I know about was at least 2 passes and ranges up to 20+ in specific sections of the tape.

Now on the other hand I record on-site live performances. There is only one pass to capture the performance. And a few more for playback.

Od course I may not understand what 1 pass means. Could it mean only used to record one band over a 2 week period and never erased and used for a second band?
 
There is really no such thing as one-pass, not literally anyway. Even a master mix will have several passes unless the engineer is extremely blessed or the material isn’t that critical. But for any fairly modern multi-tracking you can expect a tape to have hundreds of passes just for one project. It all depends on the studio, the clientele and exactly what tape we're talking about.

There are lots of different sizes and types of studios between home and Abbey Road, but no matter… you have takes and retakes and you can play a piece back 100 times easy, not counting actually recording. You’ve got 24 tracks, so it doesn’t take long at all. Of course a good engineer will make a working copy to reduce wear and tear on the keeper.

You have different tapes… working tapes, keepers, mixes, and masters, etc. Some tapes are just used more than others.

You get tape used from movie sound stages and postproduction facilities, TV, Radio, state and federal government… you name it.

And in all this you’ve got different studios with different practices using equipment in various states of disrepair. I’ve seen tapes with physical tracks cut into it from worn out heads. You also see different storage habits. Some may have been in a vault, but many have been sitting in storage warehouses with no climate control.

You really don’t know where a used tape comes from. I’ve said this before about one-pass, but if it’s not good enough anymore for the studio that’s getting rid of it, it’s not good enough for you. Yeah, I understand working tapes to goof around with, but that one magic take suddenly happens sometimes and you can’t recreate it. So, I don’t put much on questionable tape.

It’s all a moot point though if we’re talking about this particular vendor. As I stated in another thread, he’s selling data logging tape (3M 8207) right now on eBay and misrepresenting it as “similar to Quantegy 407.” These are the actions of a desperate man… like somebody drowning. He’s also selling NOS AGFA 469. I dare say you won’t find a reel of that stuff on the planet that hasn’t gone sticky.

You can find good low usage tape, but these days it’s going to be from someone you know. Professional tapes like 456 and 911 are very durable… good for hundreds of passes at the very least before dropouts, clicks and pops start appearing. But I still don’t buy recycled tape because I don’t know where it’s been. And as I’ve said before, once the seal is broken you don’t even really know what kind of tape you’re getting. It could be 406 on 456 reels, or 469 or 226. It could be older tape on new reels. It could be a lot of other things than what you paid for.

If the price is right, I may buy used tape on eBay just for the metal reels, but other than that I say buy new tape and then you have your own “one-pass” with a known history. :)
 
to slightly change the subject then! I have a new 1 inch tape 'on the pancake'. How the hell do I get that on to an empty metal reel?!!

Its a BASF tape and it doesnt look like the screws fit on an ampex reel, if thats how you do it?
 
...afaik...

That pancake of tape *~should~* be tightly wound and stable enough to mount on the supply side of a tape deck (in the upright position), with which you would use standard "Play" mode to wind the tape from the pancake to the takeup reel. You obviously need to handle the pancake very delicately, as a tape spill would be a costly disaster. :eek: ;)
 
Yeah, and speaking of used tape,...

I acquired with another purchase 75 used reels of 1" 3M 996 tape,... filled with music made for Playboy videos and promos! Sweet! All the 16 track masters! My wife asked, "are you gonna watch them?" I said, "Honey, it's audio tape. You listen to it." Heh,... wives. Go figure. When she heard "music for Playboy videos", I guess she assumed it was a giant stash of videos. Nope, all reels of porno music![Sorry, O/T].

On the other hand, about 5 years ago I ended up with an old, abused reel of 1/2" 3M 8207 that was a used up Police dispatching log tape. Blecchh! 8207 is a 3600' length, so it's incredibly thin and not suited to audio production in multitrack, (though the Police logging machines are low speed multitrack logging machines, themselves.):eek: ;)

I can't recall at this moment whether I've ever purchased tape from "tapeandtape" off Ebay, but it's possible that I have. I've only made a few key buys of tape and reels off Ebay. While not going so far as to call him criminal, I'll agree that his auctions are not well described, and often he makes dubious little stretches to call one tape "similar to" another. One pass tape is a misnomer, anyway. (Sorry to regurgitate Beck's thesis, but I agree!) :eek: ;) However, overall I've been lucky on tape buys off Ebay.
 
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Man,

I still get a lot of hiss...did they record those with Noise Reduction? Heh...
 
tapeboy said:
to slightly change the subject then! I have a new 1 inch tape 'on the pancake'. How the hell do I get that on to an empty metal reel?!!

Its a BASF tape and it doesnt look like the screws fit on an ampex reel, if thats how you do it?
Either fit flanges onto the side of it, or if you can't, try this:

1. Take a spare spool and dismantle it to remove the flanges.
2. Lay just one of the flanges on the deck (assuming it's on its back rather than vertical) and place the pancake on top of it.
3. Place the destination spool on the takeup side and fast-forward or play the tape across.
 
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jpmorris said:
Either fit flanges onto the side of it, or if you can't, try this:

1. Take a spare spool and dismantle it to remove the flanges.
2. Lay just one of the flanges on the deck (assuming it's on its back rather than vertical) and place the pancake on top of it.
3. Place the destination spool on the takeup side and fast-forward or play the tape across.
thanks but I think I tried that with another one I had and the tape went flying! Yes, the machine can only be in the upright position. This is annoying as I have a whole reel of unused 1 inch that I can't use. Any other ideas please?

By the way, I just tried a reel of 'new' 1 inch tape from 'tape tape' and by all other reports in this thread, I think I am lucky. The tape is recording smooth and problem free and seems to be new. So far...
 
Another reason I won't buy used tape, is that...

I bought another stash of used Ampex 456 1/4" tape on 10.5" reels,... either just for the metal reels or "to fool around with" test recordings. When it arrived, it was all reels of "Armed Forces Radio: The David Sanborn Show" (2-track broadcast masters). It was another stash of tape I acquired for one purpose, only to end up thinking I'd keep it, as is, for it's inherent entertainment value. The tape was loaded with lots of jazz music, as I recall, but I don't have the heart to just tape over ol' David Sanborn!! It was a decent show, fwiw, although it didn't fit with my original intentions for using the tape!! :eek: :eek: ;)
 
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FALKEN said:
Man,

I still get a lot of hiss...did they record those with Noise Reduction? Heh...
Funny enough, these particular reels were all recorded in 16-track format on a Tascam MS-16 with no noise reduction & "0vu" set to 520nWb/m, (0vu=MOL saturation). When I said, "You have 0vu set at MOL for this tape", he said, "Yeah, but people love that tape saturation!" :eek: ;)
 
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