Tape Fucking Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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some thoughts

Michael Jones said:
This camp will always be split, but here's something to consider:

There's a local studio here called Cedar Creek Recording. The owner has been running this successful studio for over 20 years. He just finished recording the newest Dixie Chicks CD. (well, a year ago)
He has a 2" Studer that he now refers to as a $50,000 boat anchor!

The CD, which BTW won a grammy, was recorded using Nuendo at 24/96. (See Mix Magizine article from November 2002)


one aspect of the digital/analogue debate is envy and insecurity. in home audio, it used to be that one would have to spend hundreds/thousands for good source equipment -- cartridge/turntable. this meant that some who made this investment could feel as though great sound was their personal possession. cd's changed all that in the sense that now extremely good sound can be had by the masses -- not just the few.

yet now, if you check, you'll notice that in many "high-end" magazines they sell accessories (like cable @ $100./ft.) to reassert the belief that only expensive equipment can make good sound. from cd disk enhancers, to vacuum turntables, there are a ton of manufacturers selling material that i doubt would ever stand up to a double-blind listening test.

i'm not knocking analogue, nor the need for quality products, but i think for some people, the need to proclaim analogue as better than digital is more emotional than scientific. i would love to see a double-blind test using a $100. APEX cd player versus a $10,000 turntable (with all other components being the same).

a recent experience for me was very informative. a good friend of mine is a world-class sound engineer who swears by analogue. now as it happens, i remember paul mccartney's "ram" from it's first release. i also have the newest remasters of the same material. so, when my friend put the lp version of "ram" on his system, i couldn't get over how it sounded so "narrow" (that's the best word i can come up with). compacted more than compressed.

we can complain all we want about 16bit sound (and sure there are some weak digital recordings out there), but overall, i believe digital has been a tremendous blessing for most people in a myriad of ways...
 
The main difference I can hear in digital versus analog audio is in the high end.

And with the advent of DVDA... that gap has been closed.
 
billisa said:
...i think for some people, the need to proclaim analogue as better than digital is more emotional than scientific...
I think you just hit the nail on the head there. I'll agree.

Furthermore, just as there are cheap analog systems out there, there are cheap digital systems as well.
Is it fair to compare high end, 2" analog, to inexpensive digital with cheap converters that will most definately comprimise the sound? I think not.

I think each format will always have its place, but digital's ease of editing alone will continue to have huge impact on choice of format.
 
Interesting thoughts... Please clarify your point about cheap digital. What are some specific examples of cheap digital?
 
tjohnston said:
Interesting thoughts... Please clarify your point about cheap digital. What are some specific examples of cheap digital?

Mbox,001,002,M-Audio Delta series, RME,MOTU,Q10, Presonus and several others....

Amund
 
Well I quit my job so I am going take a little longer. (no money for tape)

Back to the Roland................
 
Sorry Light, meant "width" when I said "thickness".

I identify width with sonic "thickness" with tape width, however, because I've cross compared recordings done on my 4 track 1/4" reel to reel, with my cassette multi-track (Tascam 244), and the fuller sound of the reel to reel caused that association.

Tend to prefer well pressed vinyl and reel to reel over (16 bit) CD's BTW.
Must be largely due to listening to so many LP's on an excellent
Bang & Olufsson (spelling?), turntable many moons ago.
Foolishly sold it, and plan to upgrade from the lo-fi consumer level
turntable that replaced it.

Chris
 
tjohnston said:
Interesting thoughts... Please clarify your point about cheap digital. What are some specific examples of cheap digital?
Gee, I dunno, how about Cakewalk coupled with SB Live and the sound card's integrated mic pre's and converters?
 
How about windows sound recorder with an onboard soundcard.......
 
well, for what it's worth, .02, (not being a recording tech) but, analog has it's place in recording along with digital, E Van-halen used analog on guitar and it just freaking blew everybody away when it released, (with no bottom end) i'm sure the mix was built through digital... my ears are old and i can't tell the difference now but back in 77 i could... i think my guitar sounds tinty digital (straight in) also but i agree if digital can reproduce anlog then it can reproduce anlog audio sound, in the hearing since :)... it might cost a bit more but here again i think it's a matter of settings techinque and soft/hardware...

Hendrix did a good job with analog also, the digital remixes sound better then the original IMHO like most of the old remixes, it's just hard to find the right config/setup....or the tech's won't get off it :)
 
And speaking of DAWs, Jon Anderson (lead singer for another
IMHO great recording groups of the 70s and beyond--"Yes") has a new solo CD coming out, along the lines of his rather well known "Olias of Sunhollow" (sp?). I just read an interview in which he spoke highly about the Yamaha 4416 DAW that he used to record the CD; he played all instruments by himself.

Such daw-based recordings, especially by folks who have plenty of money to burn, give me confidence and hope.

And speaking of Yes, too... their last CD, "Magnification," was recorded here in Santa Barbara, CA. Say what you want about such dinosaurs of rock, but some of my colleagues came home from these sessions (which included a small symphony) with their jaws dragging on the ground. Amazing stuff that even these tried-and-true anologies are doing with digital equipment these days.
I just picked up the recording, and it's an amazing work, musically and technically--assuming you like that sort of classical-rock, of course. These older guys can teach us a lot if we're open to it.

Best.

J.
 
Steve Howe and C Squier made very impressive analog tracks way back indeed :) for years i was slaved to his style, well, learning it anyway... ah, the o'l days... pink floyd did a partital analog scene and ruled for years, both formats have there place in recording, who knows what techs do behind studio doors, after hours :) it's all "in the mix"
 
I work in a studio with a 48 channel Neve desk and we have the latest version of protools/junk plus we have 2 24 trk Sony MCI JH 24/24 machines locked together.What sounds better?It's not even fair to compare the 2 because one sounds awful and the other sounds HUGE!People who think digital sounds great should not be in the recording business unless they are doing just edits for broadcast.After 40 years in the business with many records on the market I cannot believe people can't hear the difference.
 
You signed up and resurrected a 10 year old thread just to say that??? :facepalm:
 
Yes I did say that because if you do music don't waste your time on whimpy digital garbage.It sounds small,tiny and confined to a small space.AB an album to a remake cd,it's a JOKE!
 
Well, thanks for setting me straight. I'll sell everything right now and go buy a Panasonic cassette recorder. :D
 
In fact it will sound much better if you chose the correct deck with dolby s.I would be more than happy to use a cassette deck over any digital format to be mastered but I do use half inch tape for mastering a final mix.
 
I work in a studio with a 48 channel Neve desk and we have the latest version of protools/junk plus we have 2 24 trk Sony MCI JH 24/24 machines locked together.

Then the alarm clock went off and I woke up!

:eatpopcorn:
 
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