Taming Cymbals

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I have a Sabian AA 18" crash cymbal that's great for live, but for recording it's a bit shrill.

Anyone have some techniques for slightly taming this. Buying a new cymbal is not an option at this point.
 
Sonixx said:
I have a Sabian AA 18" crash cymbal that's great for live, but for recording it's a bit shrill.

Anyone have some techniques for slightly taming this. Buying a new cymbal is not an option at this point.

some ideas -
- experiment with mic placement.....maybe you need to back off your overheads a bit from the cymbals or possibly you could be driving the gain too much on the preamp
- try sticking some pieces of electrical tape on the underside of the cymbal - this can control the overtones a bit and 'tame' the cymbal

- don't hit the cymbal so hard?

when it comes down to it...some cymbals aren't that great for recording...generally smaller crashes record better than larger/heavier ones.
 
yea... the don't hit so hard one will be for the next session. i didn't scrutenize the take well enough afterwards.

i've recorded this set for several years now, and I don't recall this issue... but I haven't recorded this drummer either. I think I'll move the cymbals... inform the drummer... and try the tape if necessary.

thanks...
 
The applying tape to the underside of the cymbal trick is a real good one and one that I've employed for many years on cymbals that are too bright for the mics. I have and use a 20" paiste ride that I turned into a sizzle ride a few years ago and I was ready to discard it and just get another one for a session.I applied a piece of tape to the underside and it was tamed. It's become one of my favorite cymbals for recording.
There's a new brand of cymbals out there made by Zildjian that are made out of titanium and they are sickeningly bright. That seems to be the taste of a lot of new metal drummers, but it's not mine. Different strokes I guess.
Sometimes with very bright cymbals, you can tame the harshness with the higher end EQ. Forget what you already know and REALLY crank it down even more than you think it should be. Sometimes that works on a particular recording. If you've done the drum kit with a limited mic set-up, you could be screwed because it will adversely affect the sound of the rest of the kit, but it you can isolate the mic that's picking up the harshness and just crank that one down,and then boost the lower mid range, sometimes that will work.....or not.
Zildjian A's thin fast crashes played with a firm, not heavy touch are the ones that I have found the best for recording. Not walluping cymbals is a good habit to get into. It just makes them sound bad.
Good luck.
 
Another idea that tends to work well is to make a cymbal cover for the cymbal bell out of a bed sheet.

You can play with the sizing to find the sound you want - it helps to increase the decay as well. Not as much over ring this way.

Just cut a circle out of a bed sheet (i like black - looks good against the brass) and a small hole dead center to slip it on - you can start a wee bit larger than the bell and cut it smaller till it sounds right.

Good luck

Rod
 
Thanks... Rimshot, Simman and Rod Gervais for the suggestions. I hadn't considered a bedsheet... I'm going to try it tomorrow.

Also, on this session I think I had the overheads positioned a bit too forward and with the hard playing, it was a bit too much.

I've been recording with this set and cymbals for two years without this problem. This cymbal is normally not abused this much.
 
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Sonixx said:
Thanks... Rimshot, Simman and Rod Gervais for the suggestions. I hadn't considered a bedsheet... I'm going to try it tomorrow....


what, no love for me??:(


good luck

:D
 
Sonixx,

Let us know what happened - what worked - what didn't

Rod
 
Update...

I haven't gotten back to the Cymbals yet. In the middle of this... I've decided to replace my Snare and Tom heads and retune the whole kit $$$

back soon...
 
Along the same lines...
I have used moongels on my rides and light crashes to dry them out and shorten the overtone drones with really good success.

Moon Gels... Gotta luv em!
 
I find the best way to tame cymbals is to place them on a busy highway for a few hours and then cover them with duct tape. The difference is dramatic Try it yourself and see. Trust me on this one. i know what Im doing.
 
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