Taking Volcals Out....

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Im Trying to make some dope beats wit samples in it...but i wanted to know if anyone one knows how to take volcals out of a track to make a accapela....or vise versa............anybody have sum tips,programs,or recomendations..thanx much
 
maybe if you post your question in a couple of more forums you might get some responses. you definitely didn't post it in enough places. usually, you have to post in at least 9 or 10 forums to get an answer. the regulars around here will really appreciate your dedication to getting your question answered.

also, everyone will know how cool you are cause you spell words differently!
 
un1que said:
Im Trying to make some dope beats wit samples in it...but i wanted to know if anyone one knows how to take volcals out of a track to make a accapela....or vise versa............anybody have sum tips,programs,or recomendations..thanx much
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You can't "unmix" a track after it's been mixed any more than you can separate a cake back into flour, eggs, water, and sugar after it's been baked.

There are "vocal remover" plugs that use various polarity/filter techniques to remove the center-channel info of a mix (typically kick, snare, and lead vox), but usually doesn't leave much useful to work with.
 
Not only is Blue Bear a skilled recording engineer but he also knows how to bake cakes. I'm very impressed. He is obviously a man of many talents. I wonder if he can engineer great recordings and bake a cake at the same time.
 
obviously the lesson for today is


"Recording a great song is like baking a great cake. It takes pride, joy and a great ear."


and not to mention flour, eggs, water, and sugar. :D
 
LRosario said:
obviously the lesson for today is


"Recording a great song is like baking a great cake. It takes pride, joy and a great ear."


and not to mention flour, eggs, water, and sugar. :D
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True, but never use compression on a cake. It will destroy the taste.
 
Whenever I want to take vocals out of a mix I just mute them. If the song is already mixed then that typically means that it isn'tmy song to do that with so I don't. I guess you could try calling the artist to see if they would send you some CD's with just the music bed and just the vocals all nice and seperated:D
 
HWB said:
Not only is Blue Bear a skilled recording engineer but he also knows how to bake cakes. I'm very impressed. He is obviously a man of many talents. I wonder if he can engineer great recordings and bake a cake at the same time.
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That was pretty funny! Good one!! :cool:

:D :D
 
i heard he runs a pretty nice kitchen out of his basement.....................mabye it was a recording studio.....................................................nah, def. a kitchen.
 
You'll find people around here aren't too receptive to anything related to hip hop production. Even when you ask it politely. It is very hard to isolate sounds when they are already mixed. Try both the left and right mono sounds individually to see if the sample becomes more workable. Often sounds are panned left or right and you can get something more workable. If not you may have to move on to the next crate. For other questions try a site like futureproducers.com which has a hip hop room. A lot of answers can be found there.
 
Afro J said:
For other questions try a site like futureproducers.com which has a hip hop room. A lot of answers can be found there.
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Yes, that's true... there are a lot of asnwers to be found there -- only problem is a lot of them are completely wrong. I've been to that site, I've never seen as bad a signal to noise ratio as over there... just a lot of clueless wannabes spreading their lack of knowledge like a wildfire in Cali............... :rolleyes:
 
I don't know anything about baking a cake but as far as the vocal removal............I found a vst plugin on kvraudio that removes the center channel, which is where the main vocal is usually located. Any other sound that is located in the center will also be removed but there's usually enough music left to do Karaoke type shit. I don't remember the name of the plugin at the moment but a search on kvraudio should bring it up.
 
..........I found a vst plugin on kvraudio that removes the center channel, which is where the main vocal is usually located....
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But see..that's not true. "Vocal located in center"...always the common marketing line...but it's not true. The vocal sits in the middle and has bleed to the left and right....on most songs..for most of history. Try the kvr plugin you found on five songs. Does it work? None of them have ever worked for me and I've been in the biz for many decades.

BUT......BUT.....Read this below!!!!

Based on my own experience over many years, I also agree that the concept of unmixing things from tracks is pretty impossible. I've tried every concept and piece of software myself..doesn't work. I even spent a bunch of time a year ago trying to zap stuff using Waves S1. It did some interesting things, but didn't zap what I needed zapped.

So...I can't delete parts from mixed tracks ...BUT....

GET THIS.....

I've actually used a place in the UK six or seven times now that CAN DO IT! Not every time. But on most projects I've sent to them. (I'll post the company name after i dig it up..haven't used them since the first of the year).

My jaw dropped when I heard the proof clips they sent me before committing to the projects (which aren't real cheap by the way). Some of this stuff was badly mixed stereo where I wanted the lead vocal out...they did it! And with not overly-bearing artifiacts. I had tried for for years with every other app I could get my hands on. No go.

And unbelievably but absolutely true.....I even sent them a very old mono track from the early 70's that had a horrible lead vocal on it....ZAP...they removed it. I still have no clue how they do it ...IT"S MONO!

Then, on another pass on the same song, they zapped out a flute part.

How did they do it???? My first thought was eq. But nope..I couldn't do it with any kind of eq and i tried a bazillion times...and I'm an engineer. Phase reverse? Nope. vocal remover plug-ins? Nope. I tried them all.

I don't know how these guys do it. I talked about them on Fletcher's board last year and nobody there could figure it out either. Fine with me. As long as someone somewhere has figured out how to do it, that's ok with me.

I've been lining up a ton of old stuff to send to them again once I finish working and reworking what they've already done for me.

The company promotes (on their website) that they use some sort of proprietary software to remove parts. They even had an example on their website where they pulled a vocal part from a stereo mixed master....AND then slapped it dry on it's own track. Which to me is simply impossible. But they do it.

As I mentioned, there have been a few test things I sent to them that are too screwed up to do anything with. But for the stuff they successfully worked on, I am just absolutely totally amazed!

I'll say it again...I dunno how they do it.
 
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Yes, that's true... there are a lot of asnwers to be found there -- only problem is a lot of them are completely wrong. I've been to that site, I've never seen as bad a signal to noise ratio as over there... just a lot of clueless wannabes spreading their lack of knowledge like a wildfire in Cali............... :rolleyes:
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Not being very experienced myself I will take this under advisement. However for simple sample or hip hop related questions like the one he posted, one can find a lot better serious response to wannabe comedian ratio in the responses at other more specific boards.

Nobody beats HR for technical info, member tutorials, or product discussions though!! :)
 
Why pay? The "AnalogX Vocal Remover" plug-in is free. Just Google it....
Afterwards you may have to overdub in some bass guitar, kick drum and snare possibly.
 
I like cake, sometimes. And music. Yeah, cake and music...that's the ticket.....Sorry, I'll leave now....
 
BRDTS said:
But see..that's not true. "Vocal located in center"...always the common marketing line...but it's not true.
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I tried it on a couple of tunes...........it works.........any main vocal that is still audible is minimal. I went ahead and looked up the plugin. It's called Extra Boy. Give it a try and tell me what you think:


http://www.elevayta.com/d_plugins.htm

p.s. I also like cake, sometimes, when it's good.
 
Ok, here's the solution. Go to Blue Bear's studio to record and enjoy good cake as well. And why is this so? Because, "If he knows your coming he bakes a cake."
 
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