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Thank you John! :)

I'm gonna post additional replies to your response in time.......

For right now, I'm wondering with such a SMALL SPACE to work with, is it possible to create those OFF- PARALLEL walls (as indicated in your Garage diagrams), by installing portable walls in front of the (air-cavity) wall construction I specified in my descriptions???

*That way, if I ever need the extra room, I can always revert back to a larger size room......

Possible?

I'll be getting back to you with additional questions......

Thank you SOO much for your help.......

Regards
MIke
 
Do some lateral thinking..............instead of reducing floor space by making one end of a room narrower than the other consider angling the walls inwards on the vertical plane, so that the ceiling is narrower than the floor. Approx 12 degrees in total should help. Maybe look at 6 deg per wall.

Peace........ChrisO :cool:
 
To: ausrock & John Sayers.....

Yes I get the picture about the negativity of parallel walls.

Well perhaps you guys can help me further understand this problem? It may take several posts, but Please Understand that I REALLY appreciate it....

SOO, ausrock suggested that I narrow in the walls a bit on the vertical, rather than lessen the floor area?

But I had asked John Sayer about the possibility of utilizing these angled wall surfaces as 'portable-type walls'. Again my intent was so that I would always have the original air-space-type walls permanently constructed behind the portable angled walls covering them, in case I needed the additional space.....

From aurock's suggestion earlier, "instead of reducing floor space by making one end of a room narrower than the other consider angling the walls inwards on the vertical plane, so that the ceiling is narrower than the floor". Although exaggerated, this is how I envision his intent:

http://users.bignet.net/~rocknroll/angledwalls.jpg

Yes?

I would like for you guys to comment a little more on how I can achieve NON-parallel walls, but without loosing valuable room space. Yes I realize according to the layout I gave you guys:
http://users.bignet.net/~rocknroll/layout2.jpg
that this whole room area is REALLY small...... :( whaddaya gonna do? Limited buget - can't move ..... :(

Don't give up on me guys......
Thanx :(
 
besides the parallelism of the walls.

My first thought is to move the drum room to the opposite side, put the control room in the middle and put the live room where the drum room is just for line of sight reasons in addition to using the masonery to handle the low frequencies, concrete with a dirt pile out side is wonderful. The narrowing of the walls can be done without taking up too much space, where a room in a room scenario probably wont work, building full sized partitions wont be manageable. Try just an extra 4 inches at one end of each room, make it so the widest part of one room is back to back to the widest of the adjacent room and visa versa for the next room. The goal is to minimize traps and early reflections. Since you want to keep the old wall behind for practicality of it being a home, I would use 4 x 8 sheet rock with 2x4 in 1 corner and a 2x2 at the 2 foot point of the sheet rock, kinda like a ramp on the wall. If you want it to be atractive use some ply wood with a paintable surface, home depot carries them for 30 bucks for a sheet of 4x8 maple 1/2 thk. IF I had a drafting program at work Id send a pic of what IM trying to type. I know your trying to incorporate a Sayers design into family man budget and Ive had to do that once or twice, my last studio was very similar to what your trying to do in your garage. I vaulted my ceilings myself and angled the frontand back wall inward at the top and the side walls in at the front, my total taper was around 10 to 10 degrees, not much but enough. I was lucky enough to aquire 60 to 100 sq ft of studio foam from a studio that was going out of business. You can get foam many places, one place I found for treatments was a company that made foam for packing sensitive electronic equipment, it works well, I still have about 30 sq ft in my microstudio. Ig John doesnt crank out a pic for you in the new few days maybe I can try. It never hurts to try. While my experience isn't as extensive as Johns, I have designed a 3100 sq ft facility in Seattle called Momentum Recording (RIP, owners divorce was ugly). Im currently working on a program for Johns country called Wedgetail, go to Boeing.com for details, Im a designer dealing with accoustic and thermal barriers... Anyway I hope you get help in meeting your goals.

P.S I wish my wife would move her car out of my potential growth!


Peace,
Dennis
 
Good points atomictoyz. hey download a copy of smartdraw from, yes you guest it: www.smartdraw.com it's an easy program to learn and it does set angles and lengths which is all you really need.

May I just make one point here.

People will go out and spend freely on gear and accululate mike pres, microphones, reverbs etc etc yet when it comes to the listening room or the music room(s) they want to skimp like they feel it's not as important.

My friend, Grant , in Wagga Wagga (now that's a real aussie town name) could not believe the difference a, not cheap yet not expensive, room made to the quality of the recordings he made.

http://locall.dataline.net.au/~johnsay/Pages/Flying_Fox.htm

He reckoned it far outweighed what he may have spent on a good reverb unit, or a couple of mic pres.

Like we all recognise that one day we may have to lash out and pay for a decent acoutic guitar, or drum kit or whatever, yet people seem to leave the acoustic recording environment out of the list. The control room is for one purpose only - the listening to speakers! They are your prime work tool, everything you do is related to them.

cheers
john
 
To John Sayers, atomictoyz, and others who are helping me understand room dynamics - "I'm starting to see the light"

Please take a moment to review these improvements I've drawn up, and additional questions in an effort for me to tweak all the design principles that you have kindly, and informatively posted....

http://www.locationstudio.net/reponsetojohn.htm

And again I THANK YOU :)

Mike Fraticelli - rocknroll@bignet.net
 
Any portion of thanks directed at me I forward on to John Sayers because indirectly and directly most of what I now know about studios and acoustics I learnt from John's tutorials and before that having spent time "observing" a studio I spent time in which I later found out was one of John's designs.

Peace.......ChrisO :cool:
 
Here is a cheesy attempt to show what my thought were, I used a thing called canvas because Im on a Unix based machine at work. You can see how the wall might be done and I relocated one door to the common hall way and added a door to the proposed drum area. Door are a bad thing to contain sound, so if you can keep them from being common the better chance youll be happier. The window should be angled in ward at the bottom facing the control room side. Moving the live room to where the back door is makes it easier moving "live type" equipment around without messing with other parts of the studio, Its normally called a staging area at bigger studio's, the place where the semi truck back up to. I left the windows for the control room alone but would probably not stagger them,make them as small as possible but keep them functional. Cover up the basement window both inside and outside, but fill the inside with insulation one layer of mdf and the last layer 1/2 drywall. You might be able to cram a small vocal booth in the corner to the lower right corner of the live room if you wanted. A small thing alot of folks forget is to put spot rugs under chairs in room with hardwood or concrete floors, oil your chairs at their pivot points/hinges. One thing Im devising at home right now is a security device and' tracking in process indicator", I can't count the number of times my 5 year old had walked in the studio or stood there pounding on the door while something was being tracked, usually I can hear it thru the tracking headphones.

http://atomictoyz.trancegirls.com/cgi-bin/i/layout3.jpg

One brief comment, the word deflection is used with structural engineering, the word reflection is used in audio engineering, one bends the other one bounces. I was a structural/mechanical design egineer for 12 year and I get confused easily ;0)...

John is correct in pointing out the importance of room dynamics, alot of homies spend 2 grand on a U87 and can't figure out why it doesn't sound as good as it sounds when used at Bad Animals in Seattle for example. If its an audio, the room changes everything. I hope this helps.

Thanks for the tip John on smartdraw, Ill download it when I get the opportunity.

Peace,
Dennis
 
here's my contribution

Try this layout enigmacode :)

cheers
John
 

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Try this instead - it has more dimensions and a bit more colour :):)

BTW everything is in scale!!

cheers
John
 

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WHAT A GUY!

Hey Thanx a lot John!

I've been examining ALL your drawings including
'atomictoyz Junior Member's too.......

Well now how much patience or time do you have for me? haha

I've got some specific questions for ya in regard to your SUPERB drawings......

http://users.bignet.net/~rocknroll/question1.jpg

http://users.bignet.net/~rocknroll/question2.jpg

http://users.bignet.net/~rocknroll/question3.jpg

http://users.bignet.net/~rocknroll/question4.jpg

(In regard to question 4), your colorful update illustrated where the drum kit would go. And I guess if the room is 'TOO LIVE', then of course you can add padding absorbers, where needed?

AND I THANK YOU MY FRIEND! ........

Regards,
Michael Fraticelli
rocknroll@bignet.net
 
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#3 More Photo-type questions for you John :)

'John Sayer' - *Please see the (#4 photo-questions) previous to these last #3 below - I had to post these additional questions below as a 'REPLY' ......

The Administrator has SPOKEN! Good man that Aministrator! :)


http://users.bignet.net/~rocknroll/question5.jpg

http://users.bignet.net/~rocknroll/question6.jpg

http://users.bignet.net/~rocknroll/question7.jpg


Hope to hear back from you! :)

AND I THANK YOU AGAIN MY FRIEND!

Regards - Mike Fraticelli
rocknroll@bignet.net
 
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