Take 2, My 6.5 year project

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Thanks to the folks who gave me feedback last time, I tried most of your suggestions:

Brought up vox,
brought down bass,
re-eq'd bass,
brought down drums,
dropped tube plugin from vox,
lightened compression on vox,
pulled Acoustic Mirror space out of the master,
remixed background vox,
added echo to choked cymbal crash at start of refrains.

Did NOT spread the drums - woulda been nice, but woulda taken me all the way back to square one. We may go back there anyhow, Caroline wants another stab at the lead vox.

But here it is for now. Any feedback greatly appreciated.

Nowhere Radio - Ran Couldn't Hide - Song Eighteen
 
I really liked that sound. Has a really nice warm and rich feel to it. I like to hear bass like that. Drums were nice, sounded like they were right there in front. THe low strings or pad sounded good under that piano too. Nice tune and singing.
 
Hi there:

I didn't get a chance to hear the first version, so this is a "fresh" ear.

I don't think I really have any mix criticisms. The vox are plenty out front now. I personally don't think they can ever be too loud.

I don't think this would REQUIRE her to re-track the vocal, but if she wants to, she should. It'll bug her forever...trust me on this one, LOL. Anyway, IF she's gonna' re-track it, my only suggestion might be to try to squeeze a little more "emotion" out of it next time.

I know that's a totally abstract comment, and it's not really a slam of the current vocal performance; but I think she might enjoy the track more if it were a bit more emotive.

Wow...I'm totally lame today. Keep that in mind, LOL.
 
cool fade in....
what a cool combo of the lyrical content and that bangin back beat.
really im not into christian music but this kinda transcends that ...the groove is very cool...

it sounds like she is reading the lyrics ..instead of singing them....how doi say this right?......is she singing from memory?or off a sheet...??....like its keepin her from "feeling" it..???


very cool none the less.

jamal
 
I listened a couple more times. I forgot to say "nice job," but i think it is.

The only thing is I'm getting maybe too many LOW lows that are moving some serious air even on these little near-field monitors. I'd cut some of the stuff below 60Hz, but I don't have a record deal or anything, lol.
 
WOW! BASS! Plenty-o-bass. This was a real nice groove. I get the point about more feeling in the vocal, but for this tune, it could work as is. It goes with the mellow feel.

I would not have panned the piano hard right, maybe 3 o'clock or so. But that's your call.

I like the title. Clever!

twist
 
Caroline's a wonderful singer who's had the life sucked out of her voice by well-meaning choir directors. When she lets go, it's wonderful! And she had the same thoughts as you guys - her approach didn't fit the backing tracks. Or, as I mentioned the last time around (it kinda got lost in midst of the 1.5 hour challenge) - too much Karen Carpenter, not enough Sheryl Crowe.

I told her that (gently), she agreed.

The other problem with the vox was that I was having Cubase gremlins that day, so I burned the backing track to CD and she sang to that, straight into SoundForge instead of Cubase. When I went to line them up later, they didn't. So I had to slice and dice - not the best for achieving a "feel".

Here's some details, since you guys didn't see it last time:

lead vox - BLUE Baby Bottle
back vox - Sennheiser 421
drums, bass, and guitar - Acid Loops (some heavy editing, though, esp. bass)
keys - mdaPiano VSTi, Steinberg JX-16 VSTi
chain: mic->Omni->Delta66->Compaq PIII 866->SoundForge6

Song text is from Psalm 18, I wrote it in '96 as a gospel-style rave-up, came up with this more introspective version this past year. We've used both versions at church, but just piano and choir.

Thanks for the comments. We'll get some more time in the studio in a couple of weeks, may have a new version after that.
 
Hey twist,

we cross-posted. I thought I WAS around 3:00 on the piano. That's what Cubase said, anyhow. I'll give it another listen. Wonder what happened?

That was my thought about the vocals at first, too, but the more I brought up the vocs, the more noticeable the style disparity was.

I know she's got it in her - she's just cautious. Maybe a couple drinky-poos beforehand?:D
 
dafduc said:
Caroline's a wonderful singer who's had the life sucked out of her voice by well-meaning choir directors.
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YOU, SIR, are responsible for the most significant statement of the week in terms of a little problem I'm having with my daughter. It's almost like I have to "de-program" her whenever we're singing together to undo some of the stuff she's picking up in her "formal" training. I don't know why, but it seems that teaching a singer how to breathe has the effect of actually sucking the life out of the song. LOL.

thanks for posting that very candid response.
 
It's true Chris. Singing Pop music takes a totally different approach than what a "trained" singer is taught. I once heard a formally trained operatic style singer sit in with a band on "Crazy" (Patsy Cline), and it was painful to listen to!


Twist
 
Not my style of music I am afraid but that bass is very hypnotic. It's playing reggae all on it's own but the rest fits in with it. Well it works.

Gerry
 
Good ear, Green.

I purposely went for a pop thing with reggae touches. Only touches, though, were the bass line, and piano. Purposely didn't go any farther into reggae territory, cos white-boy reggae really sux, IMO. I kinda like UB40, but it's a guilty pleasure.

I'm not above doing a full-blown reggae piece (the old "Cry of the Poor" Catholic classic would be a great candidate), but that wasn't what this song needed.

Thx again, you guys.
 
twist said:
It's true Chris. Singing Pop music takes a totally different approach than what a "trained" singer is taught.


Twist
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Well put. I sounded like I was slamming formal training, and that's certainly not the case. It's just a matter of what you're trying to achieve. I put "formal" in quotation marks because I was referring to her school choir program...LOL. It's not Julliard.

Sorry for the interruption, dafduc. Oftentimes I'll read something that I've written on this BBS, and I come across like a complete jackass. I try to fix that whenever I can...I'm rarely successful, b/c I pretty much AM a jackass.
 
Chris,

you're fine, man. I value your input. And if you ever do wander into jackass territory...

...I'll let you know.:D

Peace,

Jay
 
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