What I'm tryin to do is mix the old with the new. I partially figured it out in Cubase, but it would still be nice to be able to sync as I have a gang of songs I would like to touch up. Basically in Cubase, (ie if I recorded a new part and wanted to move it around or copy and paste it)when you record a segment, and want to quickly move it, if the song isn't lined up with the click (or tempo), you can't do this(quickly anyway). If I wanted to put a loop based part in the song it wont work(unless it's perfectly synced to cubase). I don't understand why you can't see my problem here, your making it more complex then it needs to be("why do you need a click track if the song is completed"), if I wanted to take a bar out of the song and redo it, if there is no reference, it's not going to work. Thanks for the info on smpte, if I ever record again with the 464, this is good to know. I appreciate you trying to help, and I think you just answered my question, except I tried to buy a compatible mtc unit (I think thats what it was anyway)but the specific model I need aren't available anymore. Thanks Again