Switch to Cassette Four-Track?

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Hey All,

Like a lot of us, I grew up in the cassette-based four-track era. By the time I got into home-recording, digital seemed the way to go. I've got a computer based garage studio.

Has anyone actually made the switch from Digital to Four-Track? I'm thinking about buying one of those little Tascam Porta-Studio four-tracks for 150 bucks. Perhaps I'll dump the tape-tracks into Logic Audio and work from there...

Is this a worthwhile experiment in your opinion? Or should I stay 100 percent digital and put that hard-earned one-fifty into a new plug-in, for example.

Anyone else been here? What do you think?
 
I hated my Tascam 4 track. It was noisy and the noise reduction made it sound like crap. However, that was about 20 years ago...wow, time flies by. :(
 
The Portastudios that run $150 tend to suck...at least in my opinion. You can only record one track at a time & the EQ is very, very limited - basically just adjustable highs & lows without any midrange.

If you want to go the analog route, I suggest searching around ebay for a used 464 or something similiar. I think I picked mine up for a little under $200. Actually, if you want, I really don't use mine anymore - I'd sell it to you for $150 shipped.

I hadn't actually thought about selling it before. It's amazing what pops in my head while typing.
 
If you want a FREE recording software to dabble with, check out
http://www.digitalsoundplanet.com/SoftwareHouse/Products/Audio_Master/Freeware/freeware.phtml for Quartz Audio Master
4 stereo tracks with 4 effects and 2 FX sends, 16 midi tracks
--- or ---
http://www.digitalsoundplanet.com/SoftwareHouse/Products/Quartz_Studio/Studio_Free/studio_free.phtml for Quartz Studio
6 stereo tracks with 2 effects --- no MIDI

... and it can run on a Pentium 2, i.e. a PC that someone threw to the curb
Very easy to use.

If you've got a PC working, then go digital. Just make sure you've got a decent soundcard.
Cassettes have too many limitations.
 
The only value I can see in a 4-track cassette is the ease and simplicity of remote recording but only if you're not overly concerned with high quality.
 
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The Tascam 4-tracks you can get new for $150 or less are no great shakes, being the Porta 02mkII and the MF-P01. These are entry level, single speed, no-noise reduction models. The 02mkII records 2-tracks simultaneously and the MF-P01 records 1. They're about as stripped as can be, with no input-side mixing, no EQ, and no NR. The sound is not impressive, but they do what they do, and they fill the niche of entry-level recorders, aka "scratch pad" recorders. It's the most inexpensive way to get your ideas down on 4-tracks as possible, with no frills, no ups and no extras. Although I have both of these machines, and they're functional and fun, they're by no means meant for hifi audio or great production value. I have many, many Tascam 4-track Portastudios, and the Porta 02mkII and MF-P01 are the bottom rung of machines, not nearly as great as some of the high end Tascam Portastudios available.

Having said that, if you can score the guy above's 464 for $150/delivered, then I'd say that's practically the best thing going, and to do it NOW. The 464 is a high end, high speed, dbx NR model that includes 4-track/simul recording capability, 4-XLR mic inputs, and 3-band (mid-sweep) EQ on each of 4 channels, with an additional 8 basic no-frills inputs as extra "aux receive" type inputs. I usually don't mention the 464 first in any of my posts, but it's a fine machine, that's well worth the $150 asking price. Shipping on that unit alone will be around $20 or more. I do have the 464, and it is a high-end enough of a unit to deliver excellent sound quality and good production value, considering it's only 4-tracks,... it's GREAT!

I'll go on to mention several other high-end Tascam Portastudios on 4-track cassette that are very nice, indeed.

The 414mkII is the highest model that's still available as new stock from retailers, for about $250. This one is a little more stripped than the very highest of the Portastudio models, but is still quite good on features and sound quality. It has 2-XLR inputs and a deicated guitar input. It has 4-full mixer strips with 2-band FIXED EQ, with an additional 4 "stripped" inputs. It also records up to 4-tracks simultaneously at high-speed & with dbx NR. As used Ebay items, the 414mkII goes for about $75-$125, depending on the day. It's a decent choice for a mid-level Portastudio. I have this one, and I like it for what it is. It's a bit smaller and more portable than the highest Portastudio models.

The 424mkIII was the newest and highest-end Tascam Portastudio, but has recently gone out of production and off the retailer's shelves. It's now an Ebay-only item. You may get the 424mkIII off Ebay on many days for $100-$150, depending on the day, and it's well worth it. Many of the Ebay'ed 424mkIII's are still like new with little or no useage. The 424mkIII has all of the best features, including 6-full channel strips, 4-XLR inputs, 3-band EQ, High and Normal tape speed and dbx NR. There's another 2 "raw" inputs for efx returns. It's a very nice package, that's well worth getting at today's Ebay prices. Sound quality and production value is excellent.

The 424mkII is the previous generation of the highest end unit. It has 4-full channel strips with XLR's and 3-band EQ, but is otherwise comparable in features to the 424mkIII. The 424mkII offers good features & excellent sound quality and production value. Ebay cost on this item is appx $85-$125 on most days. (If you like the 424mkII, you may also want to check out the 488mkII, a cassette based 8-track Portastudio).

There's the Tascam 644, which is another level of high tech altogether. It features a full 8-channels with 3-band EQ, plus (mixer) dual-function that handles up to 16 inputs, total. There are only 2-XLR mic inputs on the last 2-channels. The tape speed is Normal/High, and dbx NR is standard. There is a Midi-Tape-Synchronizer section that's built into this unit, for those sequencer and MIDI-inclined home recordists. There's also an electronic LCD menu routing and switching section, that enables an 8x4 assign matrix, and is way more high tech than any of the other 4-track Portastudios. (The 644 is comparable in features to the 688, which is another cassette based 8-track Portastudio).

There's the vintage '85 Tascam 246, which is the pinnacle of the VU-meter style designed Portastudios. It sports 6-full channel strips with 2-band sweepable EQ, a 4-buss assign matrix, which is a cut above all the other 4-track Portastudios, with exception of the 644. The 246 has the requisite High/Normal tape speeds and dbx NR. The cue monitor is stereo. There are handy return-to-zero and loop functions that are handy. The only modern feature that the 246 lacks is XLR inputs, with the 6-main inputs being 1/4" phone jacks. Otherwise, the 246 is a topnotch package, almost second to none. Sound quality and production value is excellent. The 246 goes on Ebay anywhere from $125~$175 or more, depending on the day. This one is highly recommended.

There's the more vintage but still worthy Tascam 244. It's a bit more stripped than the 246, but is still highly capable, and is feature loaded as compared to the likes of the Porta 02mkII or MF-P01. The 244 has High speed, dbx NR, 4-full channel strips with 2-band sweepable EQ, and 4-inputs on 1/4" phone jacks. Access Snd/Rcv patch points and a stereo aux buss gives ample I/O for effects patching. The 244 has a stereo cue buss as well. Sound quality and production value on the 244 is excellent.

If you have a mixer that you're already very happy with, I'd suggest looking into the Tascam 234 Syncaset. It's a 4-track cassette recorder with RCA and 1/4" inputs, to accommodate either a mixer-input or mic-inputs. High speed and dbx NR is standard. There is a basic cue/monitor mixer onboard that's in stereo. There's some handy return-to-zero and loop functions that are comparable to the 246 (and 388). This a 3U sized rackmount recorder in the VU-meter styling of the 244/246, that's a very highly regarded recorder in it's own right. Sound quality and production value on the 2345 is excellent. You'll see the 234 on Ebay for about $100-$200, depending on the day.

If I were in the market for a nice, high end Tascam Portastudio with 4-tracks on cassette, I'd probably seek them out in the following order:
424mkIII
424mkII
464
644
246
244
... or for the less common unit,...
the 234,

For 8-track Portastudios on cassette:
688
488mkII
488(std).

... are what I'd get.

Oh wait, I already have those!;)

One last note: I think the case for cassette Portastudio's sound quality being poor, and tape hiss being unbearable is quite overstated. Any of the high-end Portastudios above are capable of making exellent recordings.

Thanks & good luck!
 
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A Reel Person said:
I think the case for cassette Portastudio's sound quality being poor, and tape hiss being unbearable is quite overstated. Any of the high-end Portastudios above are capable of making exellent recordings.
Very thorough post, Reel. As a former owner of the 414 MKII, I can basically agree with you, but with one big qualification: decent quality is possible *if you're not bouncing tracks*. I quickly learned that my sound quality was fairly high until bouncing, which really hurt the fidelity and added noise. I figured out ways to use tracks creatively, even for complex songs, so that I never needed to bounce. It's possible, depending on your other equipment and type of music. I should add that I did really like the overall warmth of these tape-based recordings.

I've never regretted my move to a stand-alone DAW (studio in a box). I'm computer friendly (own two and use them constantly), but I didn't want to lose that tactile surface, simplicity, and reliability that I had with my cassette porta. There are obviously some trade-offs, but the stand-alone DAW was a perfect digital compromise for me.

Personally, I'd never go back to a cassette system given all of the great-sounding, simple-to-use, stand-alone machines out there--even for $200-300, almost the price of a cassette studio. But I understand that tastes differ and that some folks still swear by their cassette rigs for the tone and ease of use. Whatever works.



J.
 
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Hello!

Good point! My estimates on fidelity are based on the discrete 4-track production. Bouncing is a whole other thing.

I think if you were inclined toward a cassette 4-track Portastudio, but bouncing figured heavily into your productions, then a better choice would be the 488mkII, 688, or larger format recorder like the 388.

Our friend also asked if 4-track cassette recordings could be transferred to the 'puter for further production. The answer is yes, on any Portastudio except the Porta02 & MF-p01, so a more high end Portastudio would be recommended. All the Portastudios I've mentioned above have 4 discrete Tape Out jacks. Look for that feature if you're planning to port your recordings anywhere in 4-track format.

Track bouncing is probably a whole other post, but in breif, I'd probably say that less bouncing is better. The full-collapse internal bounce is usually the recipe for disaster. A "lite" or single track bounce method probably yields better results. The external-bounce sound holds up better in several respects, f/i bouncing your 4-track mix to your 'puter, and copying back onto 2-tracks of fresh tape. I've bounced many tracks in each method, and I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly of track-bouncing. It's there if you want or need it, and used in moderation it can give a good boost to production value. The full-collapse internal bounce, "10-tracks-onto-4-tracks" is doable, but it will present sonic compromises in the mix.

I'm sorry, I said "brief".;)

If track bouncing figures into your prospective 4-track production, then it makes the most sense to try to upgrade to an 8-track, minimum. F/I, the largest true Portastudio format recorder ever was the Tascam 388, which gives a significant boost in features and production value. That's always my basic recommendation.

The 4-track cassette Portastudios in the raw 4-track production mode is basically what I'm referring to in reference to the basic sonic fidelity, which IMO is fine.

The features and capability of analog 4/8-track Portastudios is quite limited when stacked up side by side of DAW and 'puter recording. However, for all it's straightforward recording and ease of use factors, the recorded sound is quite good. I think the talk about the sound being muddy or tape hiss problems is much overstated to the high end Tascams. On the low end, you get what you pay for. That's with all due respect to all of you former Portastudio users.

I said brief, & now I'm repeating myself. So sorry!!

;)
 
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And to anyone with a cassette box, it goes without saying that you should use the highest tape-speed possible. If you have a +/- pitch control, as my old Tascam 414 did, you should also max that baby to get as much tape passing the heads as possible and, thus, a bit better sound. Good quality tapes don't hurt, either.

J.
 
Yes,...

on the other hand, if you max out the pitch control, you're getting a 10% boost in speed, but you're losing the function of pitch matching with the pitch control function.

Having full range of pitch control becomes more important if you ever want to swap your tapes with another Portastudio, and especially if you work with certain instruments that are harder to tune on the spot, such as acoustic piano, horns, reeds or whatever. ;)
 
Clarification?

The Porta 02/MF-P01 recorders are limited to mixing and dubbing in stereo to the 'puter (normal stereo soundcard) for transferring stereo mixes to cd's. (Any Portastudio can dub stereo mixes to the 'puter, or other recording device).

Most of the higher end Portastudios have 4-tape outs, when paired with the 4x port soundcard can enable you to transfer all 4-tape tracks into DAW software in discrete 4-track format, for further production. (If that's what you wanted). Look for the 4/8 tape-outs as a key feature differentiating the higher end Tascam Portastudios from the low end.

I'm repeating myself again? :eek: ...............;)
 
Awww,...

What's a thread like this without a bunch of great pix? :eek:

Here's where the subject of cassette 4-track Portastudio recording started,...

the Tascam 144!

Yo! Hey, 1979! :eek:
 

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Tascam 244!

Hello, 1982 calling!
 

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I love 1985!

Tascam 246;)
 

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Geez,... in 1991, Tascam was rollin' out the high techiest 4-track Porta of all!

Tascam 644;)
 

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When did they take this turn of design? About 1994 or so?

Tascam 464;)
 

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Hello 1997!

Tascam 424mkII
 

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We talkin' about Y2K, here?

424mkIII;)
 

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Aaaaawwww!

The Tascam 234!;)

SWEET!
 

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