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Jamal
New member
I have heard about 5.1 sourround and things like that, but how does this work? Is it recorded like that? Can someone please explain this method.
darrin_h2000
Banned
Using an 8 buss mixer assigning sounds to the speakers that put out the sounds in the particular areas of the room. of course using only six of the busses and recording all of the lows to one of the channels.
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
that explains how to MIX in surround......if you want info on how to RECORD in surround, youll want to talk to Sjoko.....he seems to think he knows something on that subject.....
darrin_h2000
Banned
Well It does track like anything else, but go ahead give us an expert explanation.
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
simple explaination....lets use drums.....you can record the kit in the typical way and use panning to place everything where you want....you can even take the stereo overheads, double them, pan 2 in front and 2 in back....thats mixing in surround......
if you want to record in surround, you need 4 overheads.....2 from the front and 2 from the back....then pan them in the position they were recorded...now you have sounds from all around the way they were intended....
drums are a bad example, but thats it in a nutshell....
hopefully, sjoko will come in here and give the expert explaination....
if you want to record in surround, you need 4 overheads.....2 from the front and 2 from the back....then pan them in the position they were recorded...now you have sounds from all around the way they were intended....
drums are a bad example, but thats it in a nutshell....
hopefully, sjoko will come in here and give the expert explaination....
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
lets say you record an amp with two mics from the left and right...when mixing you pan them leftand right....thats recorded stereo,mixed stereo.....
record an amp with one mic....duplicate the track and add some delay...take the 2 tracks and pan them left and right...youve recorded mono, attempted to simulate stereo....
so in order to record and mix in surround, you need to mike a source with 4 mics, 2 from the front and 2 from the back, and pan them accordingly......just taking randoming sources and throwing them around with faders only creates the surround illusion, but doesnt mean it was RECORDED in surround....
I may be just playing with words here and being a bit anal.....
record an amp with one mic....duplicate the track and add some delay...take the 2 tracks and pan them left and right...youve recorded mono, attempted to simulate stereo....
so in order to record and mix in surround, you need to mike a source with 4 mics, 2 from the front and 2 from the back, and pan them accordingly......just taking randoming sources and throwing them around with faders only creates the surround illusion, but doesnt mean it was RECORDED in surround....
I may be just playing with words here and being a bit anal.....
sjoko2
New member
Jeez...you're asking me to write a book.
Surround sound .......... pfffffffffffffffffff
If you want to know something about it, I recommend you read this first : http://www.digitalprosound.com/Features/Features_Splash.htm
(don't forget to read #1 first
There is also an excellent magazine called Surround Professional,
their website is http://www.surroundpro.com/ A host of info over there.
The stuff available in surround today is mainly back catalogue remixes. Basically, that sucks, as the material was not recorded for surround.
Re: recording for surround, people seem to be petrified of it. Everyone is talking about your should this.......... a voice should come from................. you should that............ etc. (and I mean the "pro's")
Bullshit. Surround opens the door to multiple creative possibilities, endless possibilities. That, in my opinion, is why it scares people, they are afaraid to be creative.
Surround allows you to take people on a trip. To not just let them hear something, to let them experience something, to put them right bang in the middle of a space you want to create for them.
There are NO rules, so everyone is busy trying to invent rules, instead of daring just to be creative.
The other reason people are reluctant? They don't know how to record for surround. That is why most surround recording to date has been done with orchestral music. That's easy.
If you want to record for surround you have to plan ahead. What are you trying to achieve? What is the purpose of the work? What do you want the audience to trip out on? If the instruments are the feature, you plan your microphone placement in such a way that you can mix the desired effect from your recordings. For instance, for your trap-set you use 4 room mics instead of a stereo pair (a trip - the rooms need to be big and ambiant! - your microphones need to match! - you potential for phasing problems multiply!).
It can be something other than instruments, vocals for instance. In which case, you have to plan your vocal arrangements with that in mind.
It could also be effects - whatever.
I think if you listen carefully to one of Uru's demos, a song called Desert City, it will become clearer to you. While the MP3 demo is obviously in stereo, the song is arranged and produced for surround, and if you'd hear it in surround it becomes a journey through a Las Vegas casino. Picture someone travelling through the desert, arriving in LV, walking into a casino, seeing what's going on there.
The song is made up of effects, a loop, background noises from looped gambling machines, and the vocals are grouped in various groups with slightly different sounds - some full, others shelved and narrow.
If you listen to the song with that in mind, the difference between stereo and surround becomes clear. What should also become clear is that a song recorded for surround does not neccissarily work all that well in stereo. That is the final reason why you don't see a lot of good surround material as yet. People are still trying to do stuff which works equally well in all formats. As soon as they say F' that and start creating for surround, we'll see some cool stuff.
I intend to release Uru's first CD accompanied by a 4 song full surround disk. In addition I'm going to do a drum clinic thing in full surround as well, which will be fun as the recording will be drums only.
What am I trying to say? Forget pre conceptions, 5.1 is a chance to be creative, and that's cool!
Surround sound .......... pfffffffffffffffffff
If you want to know something about it, I recommend you read this first : http://www.digitalprosound.com/Features/Features_Splash.htm
(don't forget to read #1 first
There is also an excellent magazine called Surround Professional,
their website is http://www.surroundpro.com/ A host of info over there.
The stuff available in surround today is mainly back catalogue remixes. Basically, that sucks, as the material was not recorded for surround.
Re: recording for surround, people seem to be petrified of it. Everyone is talking about your should this.......... a voice should come from................. you should that............ etc. (and I mean the "pro's")
Bullshit. Surround opens the door to multiple creative possibilities, endless possibilities. That, in my opinion, is why it scares people, they are afaraid to be creative.
Surround allows you to take people on a trip. To not just let them hear something, to let them experience something, to put them right bang in the middle of a space you want to create for them.
There are NO rules, so everyone is busy trying to invent rules, instead of daring just to be creative.
The other reason people are reluctant? They don't know how to record for surround. That is why most surround recording to date has been done with orchestral music. That's easy.
If you want to record for surround you have to plan ahead. What are you trying to achieve? What is the purpose of the work? What do you want the audience to trip out on? If the instruments are the feature, you plan your microphone placement in such a way that you can mix the desired effect from your recordings. For instance, for your trap-set you use 4 room mics instead of a stereo pair (a trip - the rooms need to be big and ambiant! - your microphones need to match! - you potential for phasing problems multiply!).
It can be something other than instruments, vocals for instance. In which case, you have to plan your vocal arrangements with that in mind.
It could also be effects - whatever.
I think if you listen carefully to one of Uru's demos, a song called Desert City, it will become clearer to you. While the MP3 demo is obviously in stereo, the song is arranged and produced for surround, and if you'd hear it in surround it becomes a journey through a Las Vegas casino. Picture someone travelling through the desert, arriving in LV, walking into a casino, seeing what's going on there.
The song is made up of effects, a loop, background noises from looped gambling machines, and the vocals are grouped in various groups with slightly different sounds - some full, others shelved and narrow.
If you listen to the song with that in mind, the difference between stereo and surround becomes clear. What should also become clear is that a song recorded for surround does not neccissarily work all that well in stereo. That is the final reason why you don't see a lot of good surround material as yet. People are still trying to do stuff which works equally well in all formats. As soon as they say F' that and start creating for surround, we'll see some cool stuff.
I intend to release Uru's first CD accompanied by a 4 song full surround disk. In addition I'm going to do a drum clinic thing in full surround as well, which will be fun as the recording will be drums only.
What am I trying to say? Forget pre conceptions, 5.1 is a chance to be creative, and that's cool!
sjoko2
New member
Oh........ just for a little wicket grin.... if you go to the Surround Professional website, click on the article "mixing the sound
Part 2: Perspective ‹ where do the sounds go"
If you get through the first couple of paragraphs you'll get my drift.............
Part 2: Perspective ‹ where do the sounds go"
If you get through the first couple of paragraphs you'll get my drift.............