Stupid Roland

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Spent an arm and a leg on my Roland 2000.

Yep, cost big bucks.

And now... I have to explain to the 3 bands I have been reocrding why I have lost ALL their recorded projects.

Was doing a wav transfer via. USB. Machine froze. I shut it off (had no choice). Now there are NO PROJECTS on my machine.

After all that DAW research, time and money spent, I am back to square one.

I know the hard drive is only "temporary storage" but this is REDICULOUS. HOURS of work gone.

Anybody have a potential soultion?

Is there any hope to get those projects back ?
 
mattkw80 said:
Anybody have a potential soultion?
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Burn/backup ALL tracks to CD immediately after recording. (using onboard burner)


mattkw80 said:
Is there any hope to get those projects back?
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Probably not.
 
Damn ROland

If I had to back up my project to CD every time I did something, for the money I'd be spending in CD's I could have been spending in 1/2" or 1/4" tape, or Zip Disks, or some other media that costs money and is not as convient as a hard drive is supposed to be.


This does open my eyes as to the fact that I need to back up more, but I have only had the machine for 2 months !!!!
 
If you value your work you would back-up your work. There are other methods of backing up like an external Hard drive. Either usb2 or fire wire or buy another Hard drive for backup purposes.
 
I have a thought. Let's empathize for a moment with Matt in his dilema. We all KNOW we should be backing up our work regularly, and yes, I suppose it is our own 'fault' if we don't and something bad happens. However, it is far too easy to sit hear and say...well...you shoulda backed up your stuff. That is obvious. I have tons of stuff on my BR1600 that I have not backed up...shame on me. It is my own stuff, so if I lost it, it'd be annoying, but not the same level of problem Matt is facing. I DO backup my stuff when I feel I have gotten it far enough along that I would HATE to lose it. Backing up an entire hard drive is a LONG process, and certainly does NOT make sense (at least to me...with the BR) to do it EVERY time I record somethin. You really should be able to rely, to some extent, on the hard drive technology these days to safely keep your stuff. So Matt, I feel for ya man. THAT sucks and I would be MAD too. I guess we all just need to learn from your bad experience, that if the pain of LOSING your recordings exceeds the pain of backing them up, then the best bet is to suffer the pain of backing them up. I hope there is some way you can recover your work other than re-recording everything. Good Luck!!!

Steve
 
does it use the same hookups as a normal pc HD? many times my pc ..well OS has failed and theres stuff ive never backed up..i simply hook the HD up to my second PC as a slave and i can transfer all the goodies i wanted to keep! :D
 
Matt,
I hope you somehow manage to retrieve your recordings and I know exactly what you mean about backing up your hard drive. I just spent 4 hours and 11 cd's backing up on my BR 1600.
Unfortunately it seems backing up may be the only solution in some cases to a dilemma of your magnitude.
(ONCE AGAIN MATT I HOPE YOU SOMEHOW RETRIEVE YOUR HARDWORK)
I know its no consolation Matt but I feel your anguish!!!! :mad:

Kev
 
Hey thanks guys,

Your condolences actually do make me feel better. (It means somebody is listening and understands my frustration).

I did not back up because I have only had this machine for less than 2 months. I am a Network Administrator and have been for 6 years. If I used equipment in my line of work that was this sensitive, the computer world would have a serious problem.

What ERKS me is this is not a failing hard drive problem. This is a "can't properly handle any sort of very minor disaster recovery problem".

It is 2005.

If I can't "shut off" my DAW the wrong way because it froze, without losing EVERYTHING, then this thing is WEAK.

By the way Markaholic, I have thought of your suggestion, and I do think it will work. (In theroy it has to). It's the only thing that has kept me from returning this unit.

Also: for the people who are so quick to pull out the generic cliche "You should have backed up card" hear this :

I will swap hard drives when 1 gets full.

But I will NEVER back a 40 GB Hard Drive up to CD's. Shouldn't HAVE to happen in 2005, and not going to happen.

I can usually "hear" when a drive is going to bad. If I hear the usual bad hard drive sounds, then I will ghost (make exact copy) of the drive.

I'll keep you guys informed as to how I make out, and thanks again.
 
HAHA

Hey "Backup" lovers.... I got one for you...

A guy over at VSPLanet told me his unit wiped all the projects off his machine as well.....

What operation was he running when this terrible event happened to him ?

He was BACKING UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


QUOTE : I had a hard drive disaster that, ironically, happened as I was backing up. Basically the machine froze and upon rebooting the Project List read as if all my projects did not exist...
 
Hey Matt,
I am nowhere as converse in the tech side of computer technology, eg hard drives etc as youself, but upon the act of upgrading my BR1600 to version 2.0 Roland advised me to backup my hard drive which I did do as mentioned earlier, taking 4 hours and 11 cds later.
I am a bit mystified with hard drive capabilities and the real reasoning for backup if it is at all really required :confused: if you could lose your data doing so.
Im curious now is it at all beneficial to go backing up my data.
I hope you understand the vagueness in my questioning!! :confused:

Kev
 
Hi Gorty,


Backing up anything REALLY important to you is always the best idea.

Myself, when I upgraded my machine to Version 2.005 (on the VS-2000) or whatever the version# was, I did NOT do the backup.

If I had songs that were very important to me, I would back them up when they were a. Near completion, or b. So far along that I would be screwed if anything happened.

However, in my case I did not back up because I have only had the machine for less than 2 months and had no idea it could be so unstable.

Sorry If my ranting got you confused.

Golden rule : If it's important, back it up.

(But pick and choose, don't back your entire unit up if you don't need ALL of it).
 
mattkw80 said:
Hi Gorty,

Sorry If my ranting got you confused.
Golden rule : If it's important, back it up.
(But pick and choose, don't back your entire unit up if you don't need ALL of it).
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Thanx Matt for the clarification to my query.

Basically I could always understand the importance of backing up any important data, where I was getting a little confused was with the technology we have in 2005 with hard drives etc, as you mentioned, I got the impression that the reason we have to back up our data is because of a particular poor design or fault on the manafacturers behalf with the particular equipment we use, a process that we should not have to do.

I suppose once we start adding equipment into our recording chain we run the risk of something crashing, leaving us in a precarious position if we don't back up!

Once again Matt let us know how you go in retrieving your recorded data.

GOOD LUCK ONCE AGAIN. :)
 
After Roland's dismal track record of support for legacy synthisizers I'll never buy a new roland product again. /spit/

I'll talk when they start making ICs for the Juno/Jupiter series again.

"I'm sorry you paid 1500.00 for this product new, we don't support it anymore, and have no idea where you can get parts or schematics for it. Can I interest you in some new crap we will no longer support in a few years?"

Or more realistically, "Your call is important to us. Please stay on the line for a very long time."
 
Well, what got my paranoid in the first place, was the 100 different places in the manual that says "Hard drives are only temporary, don't trust hard drives, we are not responisble when your harddrive always dumps".

It's a good thing Roland isn't in any potentially life and death business like Health Care, or Automobile Engineers, or a space program, because although they will underline their shortfalls for you, they don't bother to see what they can do to stabilize the situation.

I know I am still ranting, but I take care of 60+ computer systems in a Network, and not for a second do I beleive or do I tell a customer "Oh by the way, I'm not responsible for your hard drive data, because this thing could melt down at any time".
 
Not only does it dump stuff unexpectedly, but when the hard drive get fragmented (and it will) you can't just defragment it. You have to back up the entire thing and reformat it. This can take DAYS if you are backing up to cd.

Why anyone would get one of these stupid things instead of a computer setup is beyond me. It's not that much cheaper when you factor in crap like this.
 
Have you tried a data recovery company? I think you'd be looking in the neighborhood of about 400 bucks though.
 
Wow... I was wrong

Hey everybody, turns out I was wrong about 1 thing, this harddrive really is BAD ! I thought it was just a weak deisaster recovery issue.

Turns out I am 1 of 1000's of people who get burned everyday by a low-end Maxtor harddrive.

Working in the computer industry, I would not be exaggerating if I told you that in 2004 and 2005 I have THROWN IN THE GARBAGE 16 maxtor harddrives. All in the 30 GB to 40 GB 7200 RPM range.

Tried to RMA (return) the drives to Maxtor, but they of course deny they have any problem, and now only warranty drives for 1 year IF you can proof 27 ways that the drive is bad. Also, you have to run their "drivemax" software on the drive, which of course, always says there is no problem, so you therefore cannot get a "Reference # / Error Code" to fill out their return form.

Anyway, as soon as I opened the VS2000 and seen the MAxtor in there, I knew I was done for.
 
But....

There is good news in all this...


...the good news is, I got a new 40GB Western Digital Harddrive with 8MB onboad cache.

Just so you guys no, installing a harddrive in the VS2000 is VERY EASY !

I was impressed with how easy it was, and now I say, I don't care if my harddrives go bad once a year, the process is so simple, it don't matter.

Hurray for Roland for such an easy drive replacement process.

Boo to Roland for choosing Maxtor... the "armpit" of the computer world.
 
Thanks Gorty, so far so good.

Everybody knows the drawbacks of harddrives is that they go bad, so for years I hold off on buying a harddrive based daw.

Than I finally buy one, and the harddrive goes bad ! HAHA

I somehow must have jinxed myself.
 
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