Stupid question about studio monitors...

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Hey all. I need some studio monitors and I really dont want to go buy some fancy ass ones, so I'll tell you what I do have, and maybe it'll work.
SO of course I have L and R outs on my mixer. They use 1/4 jacks. I have a little converter thingy a 1/4 to an RCA. Well I will connect those 2 outputs on the mixer (via RCA) to the imput RCA jacks(L & R) of the AUX of my dads old stereo receiver. The stereo receiver connects to these awesome old speakers. But they use regular speaker wire (positive & Neg). Now my question is...
Will this work as a studio monitor? ALSO.... how far do the speakers have to be away from 1/4 recording tape.... I dont want my tapes to be erased! The speaker cabinet is big maybe about 2 1/2 ft tall.
 
my US$0.02:

Set up the hi-fi you have and listen to some known quantity albums you have, if you're going to mix to tape, then record a couple of good lp's on to tape and listen to them get a feel for what the room and the hi-fi is doing to the recordings.

Use what you have, and when you mix, compare the sound coming from your mix to several albums you have that you trust were done right, close enough in style. That way you know what your own room acoustics and the particularities of the hi-fi that you're using.

I'm not sure how strong the magents are on those Speakerlab 11's you have ;-) I'd say jsut don't set the tapes down on top or lean against. Maybe a meter or so away ought to be fine.
 
Those magnets are huge. I dealt w/Speakerlab for a long time and knew their products.

Be very careful w/placement.

You would be best off to find smaller monitors that have "shielded" magnets.

It will save you a ton of problems.
 
Ok well do you think this distance is good??

Each cab has 3 speakers a 12" a 5" and a horn I believe.

I will hammer a platform to the wall so I can place them about 5 ft on the wall horizontal. Would this be good?

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+1 to Blue Jinn regarding the need to familiarize yourself with the sound of your playback system.

And as far as placement goes, if you set the speakers up as they are shown in the above diagram, your stereo field will be too wide, and you'll end up with phasing issues and other anomalies that will color the sound.

Try keeping the speakers in front of you on the same wall.
 
How can you tell if they have shielded magnets?

There would be an additional smaller magnet glued to the main and in some caes a metal shielding oner that

I doubt that they are shielded.

Save yourself the longterm problems; get a smaller pair you know or can verify has shielded magnets.
 
I used to have a pair of JBL studio monitors that had unshielded 8 pound magnets on the woofers and ran into no problems at all, maintaining a 2 foot distance between the speakers and my decks/tapes.

+1 on the idea of having your speakers in front of you. An equilateral triangle of your speakers and you is the accepted norm for spacing and distance as well as keeping the speakers away from side walls to reduce early reflection issues.

+1 also on the idea of using reference commercially produced recordings to judge your set up's sound.

Cheers! :)
 
Those magnets are huge. I dealt w/Speakerlab for a long time and knew their products.

Be very careful w/placement.

You would be best off to find smaller monitors that have "shielded" magnets.

It will save you a ton of problems.

I was just cracking wise on the reference to Speakerlab, I used to dream about getting a pair back in the 70s, I think 7 was the top of the line?

I think an easy way to check would be to get one of those small magnetic compasses and see if you get a deflection.

I take from your diagram that in front isn't going to work, so you could move them in and off the ground (you'd have to turn around then to listen,) but so you have that equal sided triangle.
 
The risk of erasing magnetic tape from speakers being near is probably close to non-existent.

There was an article from 3M years ago about this and they concluded that speaker magnets would have to be inches away to affect tapes. I used to keep my tapes a few feet away from my speakers.

I did keep my bulk eraser in the next room though. It came with instructions to not use it if you were wearing a pace maker. :(
 
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Yeah I think im gonna have to invest in some studio monitors... I saw a pair of TASCAM VL-84 studio monitors. Fairly small, great size... So speakers should be at least 2 feet away from recording tape. Thanks! :D
 
What I will do is mix through the headphones, Then mix through studio monitors, then send to my stereo to see how it sounds! :)
 
Mr. M,

I 2nd, 3rd and 4th the suggestions that you shouldn't worry about the magnets on your speakers. I think I read that same 3M article or something similar and the article I read detailed the flux level emanating from a degausser and that, while we use the rule of thumb to turn on and off the degausser at least 3' from the transport, the effect doesn't start kicking in until inches from the transport...magnets from speakers, even big ones are not going to have as strong or far reaching an effect as a powered degausser. I betcha 2' is plenty fine for your tapes and 3' is just overkill but that's the rule of thumb I follow because I am comfortable that it is safe.

You can use anything for monitors. The important thing is that you have some sense of what they do and do not reproduce well and what their "personality" is, okay? That's my 2p on the subject. What distinguishes "studio monitors" is that they strive to have a flat frequency response and to cover a wide berth of the frequency spectrum so you can hear what is going on and won't be surprised when you take it out to your car or try it on your buddy's home stereo or listen to it on your mp3 player/boombox/laptop...headphones...whatever. If the speakers do a good job of covering a good deal of the audio spectrum (and I think the lower frequencies is where you typically run into limitations), then, like has been suggested, listen to consumer music on the system once you get it setup...listen to stuff that is good quality production material and with which you are familiar...the idea is to calibrate your ears in a sense to your monitor system. Example: I do have a set of "studio monitors" and I learned during an early project that, vocally, what sounds mellow on the monitors comes out sounding pretty right as far as character balance in most other environments...I was mixing vocals with too much cut (2~3kHz) so it would come out of the mix...bad...painful in some environments. Does that make my monitors bad? Maybe my ears are just tuned that way, so by learning this I just make the vocals sit back in the mix a bit more and make sure they have a softness to them...it doesn't sound "right" to me in the studio, but because I now know that that sounds "right" elsewhere that becomes my new "right" in the studio...that's calibrating my ears (and brain) to my system. No reason you can't do the same with your system. Now, if you were an engineer and you worked in many different studios you'd like it if things were somewhat constant as you move from environment to environment right? Not possible as every room is different and every set of monitors is different, but having a standard goal of "flat" response for studio monitors helps to narrow the variations. But that doesn't mean you can't use whatever you want in your own studio and I'm guessing your speakers do a good job reproducing the low end. I find home speakers to be a bit more mellow sounding over all...lacking some clarity in the upper midrange but that's not a deal-breaker at all.

And, yeah, I saw your plan of putting them off to each side and I said "no-no-no-no." :) I don't mean that to sound judgemental at all. Very glad you feel this is a place to put that stuff up to get opinions as that's one of the best ways to learn. The fellas are right...think of the soundwaves coming off the speakers and if you have them facing each other like that then those waves bounce back and forth between the walls and your head is in the middle of the wash and things will smear up on you real quick...frequencies will be either augmented or all out disappear on you due to phase distortion.
 
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