Studio Projects LSD2 & C4... I think I'm in love

[alanhyatt]

Yes hey have. AKG made the C24, Brauner makes the VM1S, Manley makes the Gold Reference Stereo and Neumann made the SM69 (Tube and FET). I'm sure there are others. No question that yours is cheaper than those, but I think it's going a bit far to claim to have invented the concept of a large-diaphragm condensor with rotatable multi-patten capsules. It would be like claiming to have invented fixed-cardioid pattern large diaphragm condensors just because the B1 is the best LDC around at it's price point (which it might or might not be; I've never tried one).

I am confused as to where we make any claim to have invented any process, so excuse me for misunderstanding your thoughts. I think you should go back and read the posts. There is no mention of us by me saying we invented it. The only fact we state is for doing it under the $1K range.

 

[alanhyatt]

The new Studio Projects C4's and LSD-2 mic's are way too expense for many home recording budget studio owners. Will, Studio Projects be making an affordable version of the C4 and LSD-2 (like B series) anytime in the near future?

I am sorry they are too much money for you, but no, we have no plans on doing them in a B Series. You should look to the Berringer or Marshall SD mics in the lower price points. As for the LSD-2, we just cant make it cheaper than what we did.

 

[wes480]

how can the C4s be considered "way too expensive"?

that's pretty outrageous.

it's less than 200 dollars a mic with shockmounts etc.

There are plenty of "homerecording" classic mics that cost far more than that.

Personally Alan, I'm glad you guys went with the most quality you could in the mic and didn't worry about hitting a price point so much. Thanks.

 

[wes480]

Alan - which other similar mics could you compare the C4s to? mc012s, km184s...or just a sound of their own?

just trying to get an idea. I use NT3s right now, looking for a good upgrade mic, i've considered the neumanns before.

 

[jslator]

I am confused as to where we make any claim to have invented any process, so excuse me for misunderstanding your thoughts. I think you should go back and read the posts. There is no mention of us by me saying we invented it. The only fact we state is for doing it under the $1K range.

Well, let's recap. The first guy said that it was "the most innovative idea in stereo mic'ing I've ever seen". He didn't say that your cheap price was innovative. He said that the whole concept of the mic was innovative. I pointed out that the concept is certainly not new. You responded by saying that the original poster was talking about the price point and then you say in another post, and I quote:

"The facts are the facts, and that is no one has done this kind of mic in the large diaphragm format, and multi-pattern to boot...and that is why it is getting the attention of so many people."

That statement is completely false.

I don't know what it is about you Alan that annoys me so much.

Actually, yes I do. You make very clear, bold statements about your products that are misleading or totally false, and then when you're called on it you deny saying it or pretend that you meant something else. This used to bug the hell out of me on another forum. Now, I'm on homerec for about 5 minutes, and I'm already into it with you. I can't believe it.

 

[alanhyatt]

I don't know what it is about you Alan that annoys me so much.

Actually, yes I do. You make very clear, bold statements about your products that are misleading or totally false, and then when you're called on it you deny saying it or pretend that you meant something else. This used to bug the hell out of me on another forum. Now, I'm on homerec for about 5 minutes, and I'm already into it with you. I can't believe it.

You are into it with me because you dont understand what it is that I write on the posts!!!

Did you not read the post where I said and I quote: "I think the point was that the LSD-2 is the first mic of its "type" to be able to break the price barrier".

Once that it said, it is said, do I have to write that every time for you to make sure you are clear about it?. Now when I said ""The facts are the facts, and that is no one has done this kind of mic in the large diaphragm format, and multi-pattern to boot...and that is why it is getting the attention of so many people"... that is correct, based on my earlier post where it was clear that we were all talking about its low price. No one has done it before and we have broke the price barrier. The only one who seems to be confused over this is you....

This is why you get into it with me because you decide what to take from my posts and slam me unjustly. You simply either twist everything I say, or are incapble of understanding what I write.

What is so hard about taking a minute to go back to read the posts so you fully understand where the post is going. Nothing I have said is misleading.

Frankly, this is just your way to start trouble on what was a good clean thread and try to turn it into another slam Alan Hyatt thread....well it aint gonna work!

So take it elsewhere. This post was going fine until you had to spam it up with your misinformed crap. Grow up already and get over it, or should I say get over yourself....

 

[DJL]

I am sorry they are too much money for you, but no, we have no plans on doing them in a B Series. You should look to the Berringer or Marshall SD mics in the lower price points. As for the LSD-2, we just cant make it cheaper than what we did.

I don't know, maybe its just me, but $999.99 is a good chunk of cash and the LSD-2 may not be affordable for many home recording people. And a dedicated stereo type mic is not really a first priority type mic for most home recording studios anyway. But, maybe I misunderstood your targeted market?

 

[jslator]

You simply either twist everything I say, or are incapble of understanding what I write.

Strangely, you seem to be the only one I have a problem understanding. Start talking like a human being instead of a sales-weasil, and I suspect my comprehension issues will resolve themselves.

Frankly, this is just your way to start trouble on what was a good clean thread and try to turn it into another slam Alan Hyatt thread....well it aint gonna work!

As far as I can tell, every second thread on this forum seems to somehow involve someone blowing sunshine up your ass. Now, one person calls you out and you end up with a persecution complex? Get a grip.

BTW, is there any forum on the net that isn't your personal sales-floor? Please point the way.

 

[wes480]

I don't know, maybe its just me, but $999.99 is a good chunk of cash and the LSD-2 may not be affordable for many home recording people. And a dedicated stereo type mic is not really a first priority type mic for most home recording studios anyway. But, maybe I misunderstood your targeted market?

well, the T3 isn't really targetted at just "home recorders" either. Due to some of their early success with the C1, and their attention to value...I guess SP has kind of been branded as a "homerecer" solution - but that doesn't mean everything they make has to cator to that...i think above all they just want to make great mics.

just my take.

btw - can we stop with the symantec bullshit about alans posts?

 

[jslator]

can we stop with the symantec bullshit about alans posts?

But semantic bullshit is Alan's best friend. It's the only way he can tell bald-faced lies about his products and then later claim not to have done so.

I know I'm overreacting. It's just that I left another forum a few months ago mostly over how annoyed I was getting with Alan's bullshit. He kept spewing his sales rhetoric and people kept fawning over him. The final straw was when somebody posted about a legitimate complaint he had with Alan's customer service and Alan threatened to sue the guy for complaining. So, now it's a couple of months later, I log on here to check things out, and it's like I havnen't missed a beat. The bullshit is still thick.

Seriously though, is there any place on the web I can escape this guy? He's like a virus that infects every recording forum, turning most of the participants into sycophants.

 

[alanhyatt]

Seriously though, is there any place on the web I can escape this guy? He's like a virus that infects every recording forum, turning most of the participants into sycophants.

Shut the fuck up already. You have said what you wanted to say, and its over. Think what you want, and if you dont like it here, fuck off and move on so the rest of us can go about our discussions...

 

[alanhyatt]

I don't know, maybe its just me, but $999.99 is a good chunk of cash and the LSD-2 may not be affordable for many home recording people. And a dedicated stereo type mic is not really a first priority type mic for most home recording studios anyway. But, maybe I misunderstood your targeted market?

I understand your point, it is not a mic that everyone will afford, but it is a very innexpensive mic when compared to its competition. So when we say it is innexpensive, it is when you think about the alternatives, but perhaps not from the standpoint of it being $999.99.

There are less costly options, just not in large diaphragm format that are still stereo. The Sony ECM-999 is a small diaphragm consumer stereo version mic. The head does not rotate, but they do have a spread switch. That is about $250.00. If you are looking for this kind of application mic, perhaps you should look at the Sony. It is a good mic for the money.

 

[DJL]

I understand your point, it is not a mic that everyone will afford, but it is a very innexpensive mic when compared to its competition. So when we say it is innexpensive, it is when you think about the alternatives, but perhaps not from the standpoint of it being $999.99.

There are less costly options, just not in large diaphragm format that are still stereo. The Sony ECM-999 is a small diaphragm consumer stereo version mic. The head does not rotate, but they do have a spread switch. That is about $250.00. If you are looking for this kind of application mic, perhaps you should look at the Sony. It is a good mic for the money.

I've been using matched pairs of LDC or SDC when I need an AB, X/Y and etc placement. It might be nice to have a stereo mic, thanks for the Sony ECM-999 tip, I also heard a Rode NT4 stereo mic and it was pretty nice. Just so you know, I own one B1, two B3's, one C1, two C3 and many other mic's. Right now I'm in the market for two afforable boundary mic's, any suggestions? If you ever make a B-series type version of the LSD-2 please post a heads-up. Thanks

 

[Tom Cram]

Merry Christmas?

alanhyatt, post time: 12-25-2002

This has got to be the saddest thing I've seen all year. Alan, I know you and I don't see eye to eye but, c'mon, on Christmas day?

 

[alanhyatt]

Re: Merry Christmas?

This has got to be the saddest thing I've seen all year. Alan, I know you and I don't see eye to eye but, c'mon, on Christmas day?

You are right Tom, we don't see eye to eye. Thanks for your contribution to this thread! Any one else out there want to rip me while we are on the subject.

 

[Tom Cram]

Jeez Alan! What I'm trying to say is take a freakin' vacation already!

 

[still4given]

I sure hope I'm witnessing road rage here and not true character.

This is some pretty disappointing stuff.

 

[alanhyatt]

Jeez Alan! What I'm trying to say is take a freakin' vacation already!

Thanks for the advice Tom...

 

[DJL]

He's only human and just blowing off steam, let him be and don't throw fuel on the fire and it will cool down. lol.

 

[alanhyatt]

I sure hope I'm witnessing road rage here and not true character.

This is some pretty disappointing stuff.

That is how I feel. I wish guys like slator would add to the thread rather than call me names and post unfactual crap.