"String Concerto No. 1 in D minor"

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I've sent some comments separately.

Broadly my reaction is:

1 We are hearing a progressively more sophisticated development of melodies and harmonic relationships.

2 The concerto is an engaging piece as we get introduced to the various layers of the strings, and there is a mesmerising charm about the music. Were it to be slotted into practical use, I coud most easily hear it associated with a computer game.

3 Though we are hearing harmonic development, I am interested in hearing what could be done with emotional development.
 
i suspect you cant define concerto...
 
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Aw, I just couldn't help myself but to try it... I would love to be able to do the work of the masters...

http://www.mediafire.com/?sgw1y5m9wxk


I suppose the intrepid listeners will let me know how close I got to pulling this one off...
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Excellent, SEDstar. I could easily hear this piece on the Sirius (or is it XM these days?) New Age channel (which I listen to often).

Cheers,
Joseph
 
demented...?

to demented chord...

actually, No, I cant define concerto... lol

I was originally going to include in the original post the phrase "...and could someone tell me exactly what i did make if its not a concerto?" but I forgot

I was actually curios what to call it... and... since your the expert... top answer, survey says?

(drum roll please...)
 
though someone will most likely come along and point out the differences... for sake of discussion a concerto can ve viewed as a "symphony for solo instrument".... so if you post it as concerto then people expect to hear that or some approximation... though i dont want to turn this itnto rami's producah thread...


as to naming conventions... the first big divisiom can be seen as whether the piece is programmatic or "pure music" in otherwords does it take you to some specific event??? awhile back davidk posted a ravel piece that reminded me of another called fetes david new exactly which piece i was talking about (though i couldnt remember the name) because i described it as a parade passing by... have you ever seen the disney fantasia?? it opens with an orchestral version of the bach tocatta ang fuge in d min... and the visual they used was of notes dancing mid air... that would be an example of the "pure music" variety... as opossed to the night on bald mountain where they picture this demon coming from the mountaintop... a programatic peice... a buddy of mine writes alot of what he calls etudes'... because that's what they are designed to do... present a technique to be learned...

or then again why name it at all???
 
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just curious what it would be called if i named it, nomnclature wise... lol
 
i didnt get enough of a sense of developement to where it could be classified as anything other than an experiment... (trying to be nice here...)
 
demntd...

no, no... thats cool, lol... I know thres not the technical development needed to actually be a real piece, lol... "experiment h3" then, the next one is experiment "h4", lol

I just like nibbling at the edge of the cookie even if I can eat it outright

I be dammed if I am gonna quit before I get the whole cookie down just ONCE though, lol.

PS - dont b nice... be ruthless, lol, make a list of faults. its more help that way, lol. heck, if you think this is shite, boy you would have hated the first couple pieces (I havent quite broken 100 pieces yet. *shrugs* I guess each one is an exercise, really) *shudder* the first couple of pieces all I could do was simple chord notes arpeggiations, *urp*.
 
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It's a nice piece of music, but it doesn't really have a strong melody. It just kind of sets up a nice atmosphere. Because of this, I kind of see this fitting best as a film score. It could be the ending credits music to some movie that ends with a snowy scene where the camera is slowly pulling back to reveal more of the town. :)

No, there wasn't much "development," but it wasn't that kind of a piece. IMO, labels and ruling conventions are stupid anyway.
 
SEDstar said:
to demented chord...

actually, No, I cant define concerto... lol

I was originally going to include in the original post the phrase "...and could someone tell me exactly what i did make if its not a concerto?" but I forgot

I was actually curios what to call it... and... since your the expert... top answer, survey says?

(drum roll please...)
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99% of the time, a concerto is for a solo instrument with orchestra accomp, i.e. "Piano Concerto", or "Cello Concerto".

Concertos usually have 3 mvmts. The first mvmt is " Exposition-Development-Recapitulation". Grab a theory book.;)
 
hey sed... pm me if ya want to maybe start an experimental composition thread... i got an idea where i'ld give you short "assignments" and you can put them together... interested???
 
hmmm....

I dunno...

that would be weird for me. I sit down fully intending to write a serious rock piece...no matter what I do, it aint working... then i just quit fighting it and "go with it" and it might turn into classical and come out better than usual for my stuff...

... other times, I sit down with what seems like a good solid classical piece idea, next thing I know, it turns into a guitar rock song, or a slightly weird jazzy tune.

*shrugs*

if you tell me it has to be x minutes long, I must use instrument Y, I cannot use instrument Z because I have been overusing it lately... I mean I dont know cos I didnt TRY it yet, but... I can see me pulling my HAIR out, lol.

I've come a long way in the 4 short years since I started (drummer with zero pitched music experience...lol, none), and I feel like I'm finally starting to "move forward" in bigger leaps right now, like I'm getting over the hump so to speak... I'm not sure I wanna break momentum *shrugs* I dunno.

I mean... PM me the first "exercise", next time I'm "noodling" I'll try to take a whack at it, I guess... but i never worked from a "do this, this and this... or its a failure" point of work before. I basically make a stage II counterpoint melody, its 3 bars long or its 18 bars long, whatever it is, it is... then I start noodling seeing where "it wants to be".

If I had a NICKLE for every time I was just SURE I had a guitar piece that turned into a piano piece, or vice versa, LMAO.

PS - I started another thread for the new classical piece I just made... you might find it more to your liking than this exercise... I know I did, lol.
 
you are overthinking it... perhaps i should'nt have called it assignments... you may have been traumatized by some teachers lesson plan... i have to admit though i'm a bit confused why you would ask for help(a listen) and then feel you're being lectured to...
 
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I dont think I'm being lectured, lol, trust me I have a cement chin.

Maybe my early (too early...) look into a classical theory book was very premature, and was filled with just "fake calculus" (thats what it appears to the novice who has just learned a few chords...)

when I was little? "piano lessons" entailed the following: (I sat in on a few to see if i liked it as a wee lad)

1) you get dropped off at some old prune's house. Your dad wont come in. she looks like a serial killer version of a mean librarian. You sit on chairs with your hands folded like a church mouse waiting your turn in the living room.

2) my buddy goes in. Nothing he does is right, he has to memorize stuff that looked like tax forms, lol. The prune is whacking him with a ruler every ten seconds, then wondering why he is nervopus and cant play it right, LMAO, WHILE she is quizzing him, while playing, and getting ruler-whacked... theory questions. He is going to be just WORTHLESS, she assures him.

3) if the prune calls your parents and gives you a bad report, or worse, says you are "acting bored" back in MY day you got yer a$$ beat for "wasting 20 dollars an hour of my hard earnd money (I'm 40, if that makes it make sense, lol)

4) your not playing it "right" even if its note for note perfect, if your fingers are not "prancing" up and down off the keys like a happy show horse about 6 inches in the air. My buddy assures me his fingers hurt from all the "exercises" and "finger prancing" (the finger prancing seems unnecessary?)

You lose an hour of "play time" 7 days a week, because the money is wasted if you dont practice! The mroe the prune is unhappy, the more you practice and get yelled at...

...I took classical drum lessons, LMAO, I didnt need any part of THAT.
 
It has charm. What is it? You know, if you weren't asking I wouldn't be worrying about it myself. It's music. It's an instrumental piece. If it were mine I'd call it "Breaking ice (Instrumental)" because that was the image I got when I listened to it on headphones with my eyes shut. I was driving at the time.. I must stop doing that.. :D

Nice one, look forward to hearing more of your work!

Fx
 
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I dont think I'm being lectured, lol, trust me I have a cement chin.

Maybe my early (too early...) look into a classical theory book was very premature, and was filled with just "fake calculus" (thats what it appears to the novice who has just learned a few chords...)

when I was little? "piano lessons" entailed the following: (I sat in on a few to see if i liked it as a wee lad)

1) you get dropped off at some old prune's house. Your dad wont come in. she looks like a serial killer version of a mean librarian. You sit on chairs with your hands folded like a church mouse waiting your turn in the living room.

2) my buddy goes in. Nothing he does is right, he has to memorize stuff that looked like tax forms, lol. The prune is whacking him with a ruler every ten seconds, then wondering why he is nervopus and cant play it right, LMAO, WHILE she is quizzing him, while playing, and getting ruler-whacked... theory questions. He is going to be just WORTHLESS, she assures him.

3) if the prune calls your parents and gives you a bad report, or worse, says you are "acting bored" back in MY day you got yer a$$ beat for "wasting 20 dollars an hour of my hard earnd money (I'm 40, if that makes it make sense, lol)

4) your not playing it "right" even if its note for note perfect, if your fingers are not "prancing" up and down off the keys like a happy show horse about 6 inches in the air. My buddy assures me his fingers hurt from all the "exercises" and "finger prancing" (the finger prancing seems unnecessary?)

You lose an hour of "play time" 7 days a week, because the money is wasted if you dont practice! The mroe the prune is unhappy, the more you practice and get yelled at...

...I took classical drum lessons, LMAO, I didnt need any part of THAT.
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Good lord ... when was this? Medieval times or something?
 
medeival times, LMAO

to people today? yah, it was inquisition medeival times for kids back then, LMAO

I'm 40, as I grew older I realized that "todays world" was getting started in the cities and bigger areas... in a small "steel town" I grew up in?? Todays "permissive youth" thingy hadnt hit us yet, LMAO

all the dads worked in the steel mills, coal mines, or were construction workers, fo the most part. There must have been some "handbook" when I was a wee lad, that to keep kids "out of trouble", we were all forced into one or more sports, whether we wanted to or not... over half of us had to learn an instrument, for at least several years... and *just like frickin magic* everybody could read and write, 'cos most parents beat the crap out of their kids if they failed anything, LMAO, just like magic, illiteracy was almost unheard of!

...and for the love of the sacred christ, adults were not like today, they were actually in charge. If you walked thru some lady's rose bushes, she would just walk out, grab you by the ear, and march you to your house... whereupon you promptly got smacked around for not respecting someone's property, LMAO

as a teen, when we were downtown? There was NONE of this crap with gangsta stuff, and hustling money off old ladies and stuff. Yu tried any of that crap back then? ANY guy walking by had work boots on and leather work gloves poking out his back pocket would just SCARF you up as he walked out the bar wit a 6 pack, and make you apologize to the nice old lady, and smack you around a little bit.

anyones mother was liable to just backhand a mouthy kid in those days, and when you ran home and told your mother, your mom didnt sue everyone, she whacked you one too for embarassing her, LMAO

it was a different world.

to ME? Todys world? *shudder* I see full grown men, with big burly forearms, scared of three or four 12-13 year olds hanging arund their work truck. "what if they have a gun?" I was raised "old school". I see a couple youths hassling money off of old ladies in the wal mart parking lot, I give them "loud holy h3ll" and scatter them like mice... maybe half the time, they THINK they are gonna do this "act tough, theres three of us thingy", p!$$ on that act, you b!tch slap the nearest one, then they scatter like mice once they find out you mean business...

I tell you, its all in your attitude and demeanor.

*shrugs*

I guess at the same time in the cities, this permissive parenting "what can you do" stuff was just getting underway... in a small steel town in the 70's?? children were to be seen and not heard, LMAO.

so yeah... when you were dropped off at some mean old prunes house for piano lessons, you were well dressed, you sat like a church mouse, and you did whatever was told to you.

and compared to today? we didnt have ANY real "crime". Good god, if the kids got caught by the police breaking windows or something, they didnt charge you with anything... they took you to your parents, who you wer more scared of.

you could walk into anyones house, hardly anyone locked doors, nobody locked car doors, half the cars you saw around had the keys in the ignition. Until I started getting older, I cant remember a single "burglary" or "car theft".

There were "upsides" to that midevil times too...

kids out in the woods had a bonfire, a boom box, and a keg of beer? Cops came? Not rally a big deal. As long as you wer polite to the cops, you got a mild lecture, and half the time they didnt take your beer. As long as there werent any fistfights, and if there were girls at the keg party, they might say "listen here... these girls are to be home by midnight, you readin' me son?" and as long as the girls were home by midnight, all was kosher.

And once you were over the age of 30? cops didnt stop you for no reason driving. You were an adult. 20 year old cops didnt pull over people at random, and search the car for 20 minutes. You got pulled over by some kid? After abut ten seconds, you just said gruffly "Hey kid... I'm in a rush to get to my kids ball game, I'm late from work and I dont wanna miss it, I promised him... either get writing that ticket, or I'm outta here!" and that was that.

I miss those days. I don't like this "modern" touchy feely, whussy world.

Hm... this little diatribe might make a decent heart felt song by me, but... I cant figure out how to make music fit lyrics, LMAO, maybe some day, thats "black art" to me, hee hee.
 
Hi SEDstar,

I grew up in a steel and coalmining town - Sheffield, England in the late fifties/early sixties - and it was very similar to what you describe back then.

Certainly, the idea of bad mouthing adults or policemen wasn't even in our thoughts as young kids. However, I was caught stealing sweets from a shop (a bigger boy made me do it..;)) and a policeman took me home to my dad and said, "what shall we do with him...?" Well, you can guess the rest!:D

I went to an all boys school and the teachers took no crap from us. We were slippered or caned depending how bad the misdemeanour and our parents did not criticise or sue the school, they more or less said, "good, give him another six of the best if he does it again!"

Was that better than today?

I think so, we were brought up with the idea that we had to behave, study, get a job and contribute to society in a positive way... or else.

Is that so wrong?

Fx
 
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I know what y'all mean (at 36, I'm not too far behind you SedStar), but really ... doesn't every generation feel this way?
 
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