Still searching for a mixer

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if you put that in front of me i wouldnt know where to start
 
Nick, from what you listed, those really aren't submixes ( at least form the looks of things) except possibly track 8. A submix is really 2 or mor channels mixed into 1 fader or signal path.

As for a 6 buss board, a typical 4 bus mixer with a left and right is technically a 6 buss mixer. So long as all 4 aux sends and the left and right are available to each channel as a discreet mix path.

Now the D&R Merlin.... It is an amazing console. Tons of features, but most importantly, some of the quietest preamps available in ANY console. The D&R specs are impeccable, but have actually been proven on a couple of different outside reviews to far exceed the published spec. The sound is very "transparent". It is not a sterile type of clean, but just a smooth kind of sound that realy stays out of your way for good or bad. The EQ is also a thing of beauty. In my opinion the EQ on my console still sounds better than any plugin EQ I have yet to encounter, but then there are a lot of consoles like that out there. The D&R's, like any other large format professional console do require some maintenance, and parts and repairs in the US are not easy or cheap. There is only one US D&R dealer, and a lot of the replacement stuff has to get shipped in from Holland. Paul, the US D&R rep, is a great guy though and extremely knowledgable. D&R consoles are a little tricky to find here in the US. They are certainly out there, but do not go up for sale often, and when they do, they are either way underpriced, or way overpriced in my opinion. They are much more common over in Europe.
 
From the sounds of it, you don't really NEED 8 busses like Xstatic said. A 16 channel board with direct outs on each channel would work fine. Even if there aren't direct outs you can use the inserts instead. You can find something in your price range this way.


PS
You should have bought my Soundtracs. It was 32 x 8. Tape in/Tape out on every channel. Mmmmmmm creamy british EQ. And for a mear $1200.
 
xstatic said:
Nick, from what you listed, those really aren't submixes ( at least form the looks of things) except possibly track 8. A submix is really 2 or mor channels mixed into 1 fader or signal path.

As for a 6 buss board, a typical 4 bus mixer with a left and right is technically a 6 buss mixer. So long as all 4 aux sends and the left and right are available to each channel as a discreet mix path.
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Thats exactly what i was getting at and was puzzled why he was using busses for only one channel?
 
yeah submixes was not the correct word to use on my part .. what i like is when everything is recorded it is recorded on seperate tracks on the computer therefore i can further edit things .. for example if i want reverb only on the Snare Top then i can do that because there it is right on its own track all by its self... maybe i need to reconsider my setup?
 
WTF, you could use your directs outs if you just wanted the snare top?

I dont understand.. Hasnt that got more to do with your interface. I mean say you have 8 channels on your interface but you want to record 9 differnt things at the same time. Couldnt you just assign two channels to 1 buss and then have 'buss 1' going to one input in the interface, then use direct outs for the rest of your channels???

Please explain more if that was wrong cause i dont have a fucking clue what you want to do with all the busses from what you have just said :eek: ?
 
all i want when i record is eight separate tracks and each track be something by itself .. i have 8 ins on my interface, therefore i can only have 8 separate tracks. I'm not sure what else you want me to describe .. but i thank you for replying to all these posts haha
 
So i thought... That means that it possible for you to use your 'direct outs' instead of a sub group for each 'channel/track' that only has one thing in it (for example "top of the snare drum only" you could use your direct out. BUT if you wanted "top of the snare drum and bottom of the snare drum" in one group then thats when you would use your subgroup)

You really dont need an 8 buss mixer at all. You could happily get away with a 4 buss.

No problem man, keep 'em coming! :D
 
OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH finally the bell rang inside my head !!! so i need to find a mixer that has direct outs for each channel .. and just incase i need to make some submixes i should get a 4 bus .. finally it all makes sense .. i completely forgot about direct outs.

So they will act eaxactly the same way im using my busses right now
 
so on that note ........ got any mixers in mind lol i still have 100 to spend .. unless i dont need to
 
Nick The Man said:
OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH finally the bell rang inside my head !!! so i need to find a mixer that has direct outs for each channel .. and just incase i need to make some submixes i should get a 4 bus .. finally it all makes sense .. i completely forgot about direct outs.

So they will act eaxactly the same way im using my busses right now
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Basically when you send the channel to a buss it is POST EQ, POST Fader and POST Aux.
When you use direct outs it is PRE EQ, PRE Fader and PRE AUX. (Basically misses out the rest of the channel apart from the top bit..)

So as long as you dont use any EQ or effects returns WHILST tracking/recording. Then you can use it for exactly what you want.

Normally people add compression, eq, effects etc.. after tracking when they are mixing or mastering.

Does that make sense ?
 
right yeah .. i rarley EQ or add any effect while tracking ... but when you say POST fader .. does this mean i will have to use gain as volume
 
breeeeza said:
Basically when you send the channel to a buss it is POST EQ, POST Fader and POST Aux.
When you use direct outs it is PRE EQ, PRE Fader and PRE AUX. (Basically misses out the rest of the channel apart from the top bit..)

So as long as you dont use any EQ or effects returns WHILST tracking/recording. Then you can use it for exactly what you want.

Normally people add compression, eq, effects etc.. after tracking when they are mixing or mastering.

Does that make sense ?
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This is kind of a common misconception. There are a lot of boards in which the direct out is pre EQ and pre fade, but there are also a lot that aren't. My console for example is post EQ and post fade, because it is designed for studio use. In fact, most every studio console that I know of is post. There are even some consoles that are not really pre AUX either. The nature of aux sends would mean that all consoles are "pre AUX". However, there are some consoles in which an aux send is designated as the master output for that channels direct output. In this event, you could not truly say that a direct is "pre AUX".

If this were me, I would be looking for a console that was post fade, post EQ on it's direct outs. You may not use much processing now, but sometimes you might need it, and as you get better at what you do, it would become a feature that could be very useful. If you don't want it, bypass the EQ (assuming there is an EQ in/out button) or leave the EQ at it's null point. If you leave the fader at unity ( 0 on an analog desk ) than it is the same as being pre-fade in it's ouput intensity. Having a console be post fade though allows you options. For instance, I used to own a TAC Scorpion. I really liked the way the Scorpion overdrives on the preamp for certain things. However, in this case it is imperitive that the direct outs are POST FADE or the signal leaving would be too hot for the converters. I do not like the way converters sound when overdriven. Being able to drive the input harder and then trim the output (not possible in a prefade situation) is an excellent option as well as tool.
 
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