Still having trouble (MR-8 set up)

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Denny Crane
I'm still having trouble getting a signal. I have taken a picture of the set up. Please take a look and advise. It's probably something very simple but I just don't see it. Here is the picture please go here:

http://mr8-setup.gq.nu

Thanks,
Ben
 
If you plug thje mic directly into the MR8, do you get signal?

Ed
 
Tried that

Yes I am getting a signal when I plug the mic directly into the
MR-8. What I am trying to do is use the mixer for some added EQ and add the effects box to that. The effects onboard MR-8 aren't that great.
 
This may seem obvious, and you might've already done all of this, but you need to determine how far the signal is getting. ..basically isolate where the problem is occurring.

I assume the mixer has a headphone out...is there anything coming out there? Does the Zoom have a headphone out?

If so, assuming you got something out of the mixer, listen there for a signal. If it doesn't have a headphone out, remove the zoom and connect the mixer to the MR8.

Also, connect something else - like a tape deck or guitar amp (anything that takes a line in) to the output of the zoom. If you're getting a signal there, the problem may be in your mr8. (Although from your previous reply, it sounds like it's not)

Good Luck
 
I assume your input and outputs are correct between your gear. I'm wondering why 2 inputs to mr8. Use the process of elimination to find your signal loss. Check output levels on mixer and fx or input level if any on fx. good luck
 
Forgive me if my eyesight is off, but the cables going into the MR8 look like the ones hooked up to the Behringer, not the Zoom. I believe you want the cables from the B's outputs to go into the Z inputs, then cables from the Z outputs need to go into the MR8...

If you're getting a signal when going direct into the MR8, then I'd bet there's a simple wiring issue that comes into play when you hook up other gear.
 
One thing to check is the Input A Select switch on the back of the MR-8. Be sure it's set to MIC/LINE and not INT MIC or Guitar. It looks like you have the right sequence for wiring so I can only think of what's not shown in the picture.
 
questions

i have looked at your picture, and even went to MF to look at the behringer board, and i have a couple of questions.

1. You have 2 cords plugged into the board, input 1. The XLR cord probably goes to the mike. You have something in the 1/4 jack. What the heck is that. It is not an INSERT jack, it is an input. that being the case, when you have two cords plugged in like that, the 1/4 will cancel the xlr, and therefore, kill your signal.

2. Why in the heck are you taking a STEREO signal from the board,(and the zoom) and piggybacking it into a single mono input on the MR-8.

Here is what i would do to test this thing out.

1. Plug the MIKE XLR connector, into input 1 on the board
2. Take the MAIN (L&R) output from the board, and go straight to the MR-8 (Both Left and right) and check for signal.
3. if that works, unplug the board from the MR-8 and plug it into the ZOOM (probably have to do mono, zoom has only mono input) then plug the zoom straight into the MR-8 inputs
4. if that works, go back to this setting:

Mike plugged into input a XLR Connector ONLY

EFX SEND plugged into the INPUT of the zoom, and efx SEND POT TURNED UP ON CHANNEL ONE

Stereo output of the zoom to the EFX return of the board, and be sure the AUX return pot is turned up

Main out put of board to MR-8 Left to left, right to right.

Just press the arm button for tracks 5/6 on the MR-8, and press the main record button. You should have stereo sound in your headphones.

i hope this will fix your problem.
 
the more i look at your picture, this is what i think you are doing.

You have a 1/4 cord, plugged into channel 1 of the board, right underneith the xlr. On a big board, this is where the "INSERT" jack may be located. Only on the little behringer, this is an INPUT jack, not an insert point.

The insert point is located in the middle top of the board. next to the headphone jack. there are 3 jacks together, a send, and a pair of stereo returns.

The 1/4 cord in channel 1 needs to be moved to the EFX SEND jack, and the other two cords need to be in the STEREO RETURN jacks, by scooting them left 1 jack.

try it!
 
mixer

i send a mono signal from my mixer to the mono , input of effects rack, and then into the mono channel of the mr8, you can turn this into a stero file during mixdown on mr 8 or on the computer( render a stero track.)

i think the one post was right, unless you use the stereo channels 5-6 or 7-8 the one 1/4 inch will cancel out the other channel ?

i think?
 
not quite...dave.

i agree that almost every mixer sends out a mono signal to the effects send.

However, almost any effects unit, above a stomp box, has a STEREO output...meaning different information is contained on the 2 tracks. left and right are not necessarily equal.

if you record only 1/2 of the information, or the MONO track, then that is what you have...1/2 of the effect. Now, some effects it us really un-noticable. But, a STEREO CHORUS is a STEREO effect.

The stereo returns feed back out the main bus of the mixer.

If you mix all sources at 12 oclock panning, then basicall you will have a MONO sound at mixdown, meaning that there is no stereo imaging in the sound.

When you convert to the stereo wave file, you are converting the product of all of the tracks into the file, not just the one. even though you can move the MONO track around in the image, it is still a mono track per say, with only half of the information that was available.


You can use tracks 1, 2, 3, and 4 individually. Individually they all receive the source from input A.

But, you can also use tracks 1 and 2 together, where 1 will receive from input A, and 2 will receive from input B. Same with 3 and 4.

What i was saying is, he is coming out of the board in stereo, and dumping into a mono input.

I can assume he is leaving 7&8 emtpty for bouncing the stereo wave file into. So, that leaves 6 tracks for recording. That is only 3 stereo input sources. Not much room.

So, what i do is this.

I record the guitar effects in stereo, into tracks 1&2, hard panning each.
I put my stereo drum machine in on 3 & 4, again, hard panning the inputs
I then mix these 4 channels, and bounce them onto 5&6
Then i go back and record vocals on 1 (centered), rythm giutar on 2 (at about 9:00), bass guitar on 3(at about2:00), and a back up vocal on 4(usually at 12:00, but reverbed into the back ground).

i remix all of this together, and bouce the 6 channels to 7&8
where i do the wave file conversion.

i hope this made some sense.....
 
stereo mono

well for me, if im using a stero chorus, im using it in n-track on the computer where i add all of my effects and do my mixing. i was just explaining one way for him to (get sound through the system)
the only signal i record in stero to the mr 8 is my keyboard, and drum tracks which are live through a handicaped 12 channel peavey unity series mixer, panned to taste, and tracks sent to computer.

problem with this mixer is no aux sends, so i somethime have to be creative with effects
also, the left main works intermittently(so i send in mono when not working, and that kind of stuck in my brain)

your advise is solid and should work great for him, thanks for the input

and i see what you mean about the stereo into a mono channel when looking closer
 
Hi everybody,

I will consider everyones advise in this matter as I will come out of it better in home recording. I do have lots of room for recording because I use a 16 track sequencer that I will mix down first then I will dump it into tracks 5/6. Leaving tracks 1 thru 4 for vocal work and/or added leads if any. I only have the 128MB CFC in it for now and using the sequencer saves alot of space as I can put in a good 5 min song in it. My SimpleTech STI-CF/512 512MB CFC will be here any day now and looking foward for the added leg room. I haven't started with the bouncing of tracks yet because so far I haven't had to. I have a stand alone component CD burner that I use and once I have made the CD/R I simply put it into the CD ROM drive and convert it to .wav file using FreeRip.
If anyone has any simple Ideas on how to put audio in a website I would appreciate the help. I sure would like to share my music with you all.

I appreciate evryones help and criticisms PLEASE keep them coming. Thanx in advance Ben.

Here is my website (I want to add a page of sampled music to it)
look it over and tell me what I need to do:

http://hire_on_the_fly.tripod.com

Ben
 
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