Stereo Buss Levels

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The stereo buss meter is one of the most important tools in mixing for me. I'm about to purchase a DAW, and I was wondering... Is digital zero equivilant to zero on say a VU meter. I've heard so many contradictions on this area. -12 , -18 , -6 Which is it, and how do I cal the two so I can have a point to refernece from?
 
I'm gonna stick my foot in my mouth here but 0 dB Full Scale definately is not 0 dB on a VU meter. This is where I'm not sure but I believe 0 dBVU can be -20dBFS, -18dBFS or -14dBFS depending on how the meters were calibrated or there abouts. I probably shouldn't have answered since I'm not sure of the EXACT number but I'm not way off.
 
Find out what the manufacturer of the DAW you intend to buy is using as a reference.
 
The Rat's right...!

The actual DbFS reading will vary depending on the calibration of a particular unit....

For example, a 1KHz, 0 VU tone sent to either an Alesis Masterlink or an ADAT will give you a reading of about -15 DbFS - because that's where Alesis calibrated the 0 VU level to read....

Usually, the specs on a particular unit will tell you of the calibration, if it's applicable.
 
It depends on what type of meter it is. A VU (Volume Unit) meter will read 0db when the same signal on a peak meter will read -6db.

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John
 
Okay, here's the way I look at it:

0 dBfs is not the same thing a 0 dB on a VU meter in the analog world. 0 in the analog world is usually a nominal level that you can feel free to go over. 0 dBfs is an outside limit that you can't go over.

0 dBfs is an immutable level (if you will), at least given a particular recorder or converter. It's the point at which all bits are on. If you try to run peaks past it, you will flat-top your signal, producing fairly obvious distortion. The voltage at the input jacks that produces 0 dBfs depends on the design of the recorder or converter, but it's pretty much what it is.

If you're just thinking about calibrating a VU meter so you can use it in a way you're accustomed to while recording to the digital recorder, it's sort of a matter of your own preference how to set it. If you're used to running way into the red (like, say you're used to hitting analog tape really hard), calibrate 0 dB on your VU meter to -20 dBfs. If you're accustomed to being really conservative (a recorder of classical music, perhaps), you might calibrate the VU meter to -6 dBfs.
 
Right on! I will take all of this into consideration when I research a DAW. It always seemed like when you slam the levels on a DAW(just before clipping) and printed to a master, it was always quiter than my analog masters. So I've never been very comforatable trusting DAW meters. It could just be me though.

I can't give up mixing on an analog board. Even when I get my DAW, I want to use it mostly as nothing more than a tape machine.(Sending to DAW via the mixer, then returning from DAW to mixer) Does this sound completely redundant to you? It kind of does to me, but I really don't have as much fun, or practical results for that matter, mixing in the digital world.
Thank you for your time and input, Nick
 
a vu meter isnt really a peak meter. But if you got a sustained tone it will work like one. Assuming +4 nominal level, according to panasonic ( unless you mod their digital stuff) 0VU corresponds to -18 dB. According to Sony and nearly everyone else, its -12dB except that SOMETIMES tascam says -14 dB

send a 1k sine wave into your console and turn it till you see zero VU, then split it and send it into the ADC and see what its reading. Youll have your answer right there
 
Thanks Pipe! I wish they could get all these things standardized. Isn't there a group that does this.
Oh yeah, Have you ever read an AES monthly. I never have. Even though I get them monthly. I guess you have to be some computer geek that accidently falls into a cauldron of super dork formula, making incredibly, super smart.
Super nerd! with the amazing abilty to read and comprehend AES magazine!
 
I think all analog machines using +4 and -10 levels are supposed to be calibrated the same. At least in practice.

That's why test tones are recorded at the beginning of a tape that is to be transfered to another machine for additional tracking, mixing, or mastering.
 
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