stereo acusti guitar?

[elicantu]

what do people mean whenever they said they recorded their acustic guitar stereo?

also

is it ok to record an electric acustic guitar through the pickups?
i have been recording it with mics but i just want to know if it is ok to recordind it though the line...

thanks

 

[boogle]

Stereo means the availability of placing things in varying amounts on two busses, L and R. You can use two mic's placed on opposite but equal distance from the guitar

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Or you can track the guitar twice playing the same part and pan the two different takes L and R.

As far as the pick-up question goes for and el-ac guitar you certainly can. Most the time it will have a tinny thin sound. The pickup is really for live but feel free to experiment.

We have a newbie section here, you might find some of your answers over there too.

 

[giraffe]

just a nit pick, double tracking and panning it is not *technically* a stereo recording of the guitar. it's a pair of mono recordings. panned.


you can also use XY stereo pair, or m-s stereo recording technique, or with a spaced pair of mics. (but it's easy for a noob to run into phase issues with a spaced pair)

brouse this thread in the mic foroum
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=27030

it looks big, but it won't take as long as you think.

 

[Joepie]

I get great results by using both the pickup and a mic simultaneously, on two seperate channels. Then try panning the channels L and R for a fuller sound.

 

[giraffe]

sometimes you might like the sound of an internal pickup, but you'll never mistake it for a good sounding acoustic recording.

 

[boogle]

what do people mean whenever they said they recorded their acustic guitar stereo?

also

is it ok to record an electric acustic guitar through the pickups?
i have been recording it with mics but i just want to know if it is ok to recordind it though the line...

thanks

But the way he worded it did not necessarily imply a single "stereo recording", just to being nit picky

 

[chessrock]

It's really very simple. The way to get stereo accoustic guitar is to record it, and then play it back through your stereo system.

Since it's being played back through a stereo ... it's now a "stereo track."

If you want, you can record another track of your accoustic being played through your stereo, which is even better ... because then it's stereo X 2 (which is kind of like quadraphonic or surround).

As for the direct thing, you shouldn't use the pickups because then it won't be stereo compatible. You should remove them before you track. Then it will come out in stereo.

Good luck.

 

[elicantu]

but couldnt i record the guitar through the pick up in mono then re-record the same thing again then pan each one l and r ?

 

[XLR]

"Stereo" recording of acoustic gtr means very different things to different people.

traditional "official" meaning

common meaning

 

[cello_pudding]

but couldnt i record the guitar through the pick up in mono then re-record the same thing again then pan each one l and r ?

yes

don't listen to chess...he forgot to add sarcasm smilies... ie:

 

[RightOnMusic]

It's really very simple. The way to get stereo accoustic guitar is to record it, and then play it back through your stereo system.

Since it's being played back through a stereo ... it's now a "stereo track."

If you want, you can record another track of your accoustic being played through your stereo, which is even better ... because then it's stereo X 2 (which is kind of like quadraphonic or surround).

As for the direct thing, you shouldn't use the pickups because then it won't be stereo compatible. You should remove them before you track. Then it will come out in stereo.

Good luck.

 

[elicantu]

yeah i didnt think he was serioud either..the reason why i asked this question was because i have heard soooo many people talk about recording their guitars stereo but they all had a different meaning...sometimes i get the feeling people say it just because it sounds cool

 

[RightOnMusic]

yeah i didnt think he was serioud either..the reason why i asked this question was because i have heard soooo many people talk about recording their guitars stereo but they all had a different meaning...sometimes i get the feeling people say it just because it sounds cool

when i hear talk about recording guitar stereo, i think of two mics in an XY pattern panned L and R. for electric, some guys i know run their guitar through 2 amps and pan them hard left and right for a really full beefy sound. mostly guys who do heavier stuff so it's usually a marshall and a boogie.

 

[elicantu]

when i hear talk about recording guitar stereo, i think of two mics in an XY pattern panned L and R. .

explain x y pattern...i've also had people tell me about 5 different things on that

 

[chessrock]

explain x y pattern...i've also had people tell me about 5 different things on that

It means that you put two mics together, and form the shape of an X with them.

Then you take three more mics, and you form the shape of a "Y" with them, by using one mic as the base, and then extending two more from the top of it, each at about a 22-degree angle to form sort of a v-shape.

Each mic is recorded to it's own track. When mixing, you want to take the base of the Y mic and pan that center. Then you want to take the left portion of the V and pan that about 25% with the other side at 30%. Then, you hard pan the X mics 100 left and 100 right.

It's a lot more popular than the QR technique for somewhat obvious reasons.

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[XLR]

It means that you put two mics together, and form the shape of an X with them.

Then you take three more mics, and you form the shape of a "Y" with them, by using one mic as the base, and then extending two more from the top of it, each at about a 22-degree angle to form sort of a v-shape.

Each mic is recorded to it's own track. When mixing, you want to take the base of the Y mic and pan that center. Then you want to take the left portion of the V and pan that about 25% with the other side at 30%. Then, you hard pan the X mics 100 left and 100 right.

It's a lot more popular than the QR technique for somewhat obvious reasons.

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Haha. Yeah!

 

[ofajen]

what do people mean whenever they said they recorded their acustic guitar stereo?

"Stereo" is actually short for "stereophonic". It combines the Greek root words "stereo" meaning solid and implying three spatial dimensions, and "phonics" meaning sound. So, at its most fundamental level, "stereophonics" means an attempt to record and reproduce 3-dimensional sound.

The term "stereo" is commonly used today and used to describe systems that fall far short of that ultimate goal. Richard Heyser is quoted as saying "Stereo is merely an attempt to create the illusion of reality through the willing suspension of disbelief."

Common terms today are monaural, binaural, monophonic, stereophonic and biphonic. These refer to common techniques:

Monaural uses one mike and is played back by headphone on one ear. Binaural uses a dummy head mike with two mikes and is played back with two headphones. Monophonic uses one mike and is played back via one loudspeaker (although typically today it is reproduced by the same signal in two loudspeakers to produce a phantom "center" image of a single loudspeaker). Stereophonic uses two mikes and is played back via two loudspeakers. Biphonic uses two mikes, and is played back via two headphones.

So, a "monophonic" recording of acoustic guitar would use a single mike and be intended ultimately for playback solo or in a mix reproduced by one loudspeaker or, more likely, mixed in some ratio to each of two loudspeakers in a "stereo" system.

A "stereophonic" recording of acoustic guitar uses two mikes in some array intended to produce a stereophonic illusion when the two signals are played back separately over two loudspeakers. Stereo techniques fall into the broad categories of spaced techniques (where the mikes are separated) and coincident techniques (where the capsules are as close as may be and the two channels differ based solely on directional information differences.).

Cheers,

Otto

 

[RandyW]

It means that you put two mics together, and form the shape of an X with them.

Then you take three more mics, and you form the shape of a "Y" with them, by using one mic as the base, and then extending two more from the top of it, each at about a 22-degree angle to form sort of a v-shape.

Each mic is recorded to it's own track. When mixing, you want to take the base of the Y mic and pan that center. Then you want to take the left portion of the V and pan that about 25% with the other side at 30%. Then, you hard pan the X mics 100 left and 100 right.

It's a lot more popular than the QR technique for somewhat obvious reasons.

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Ohh that explains the problems I'm having, I should be using 5 mics for XY recording. Do you think I could get by with using 4 mics and just make kind of
a sloppy y? or maybe use a large mic and a small one.

 

[Robert D]

Elicantu - Our hearing is stereophonic in that we have two ears positioned and shaped to collect and then deliver to our brains the very slight differences in timing, level, timber, etc. of the sounds reaching each ear. Our brains use those differences to determine the direction a sound is coming from, amoung other things. In anything but an anechoic chamber, any acoustic event is comprised of direct sound, and then a series of reflected sounds. Even the direct sound is usually something other than a pure point source.
A real stereo recording captures all this information the same way our ears do, and when reproduced on a stereo playback system, we can process that stereo information much the same as if we were there.
The non-chessrock X/Y micing technique is a near-coincident technique that aims to illiminate any phase differences between capsules by placing them in nearly the same space. The mics are set with their diaphrams forming the x, each pointed some 45 degrees or so to the left and right of the source. this is just one of several stereo micing techniques that you should read up on.
On the pickup vs mic, in almost all circumstances even a pair of run of the mill dynamic mics will sound better than a pickup.

 

[elicantu]

can someone draw me quick little sketch in paint of what the xy thing is supposed to look like...i got an idea of what you said its just that i dont want to do it wrong and then sound like crap and said that i did it with the xy thing..

Robert D- thanks for the advice. i will defenetly keep it in mind everytime i record and by the way your acustic guitar recordings are amazing