starting new guitar setup

[gitrokr]

i play tool, perfect circle, deftones type stuff and currently have a deville 4 10...im getting ick of the tubes going out on me..so will keep this as a backup amp when we start touring....so far, for a cab i want a 1960a, i play through lots of effects so this seems logical....the head or power amp and pre im not sure about....if i got a crown power amp for my friend and a mesa preamp would the crown amp suck some of the town outta the mesa kuz its crown? i havent had experience with crown so please help...or would just going with a rectifier do it...and are there are differences in tone with the single, double and triple rectifiers??? please help, another head i was thinkng of was a peavey xxx...im looking for a clean tight sound with chug but clarity too thanks alot

 

[stonepiano]

if i got a Crown power amp and a Mesa preamp, would the crown amp suck some of the tone outta the mesa because its Crown?

Nope, you're tone coloring comes from your pre stage, not the power stage. It should be transparent.

 

[Outlaws]

Re: Re: starting new guitar setup

Nope, you're tone coloring comes from your pre stage, not the power stage. It should be transparent.

ummm...........

 

[Outlaws]

...or would just going with a rectifier do it...

For Tool and the likes, a pre amp with a Power amp will not cut it. Go for the dual Rectifier.

 

[Scottgman]

If you are into heavy music and want the tight freaking guitar chug, I don't know how you could do much better than a Boogie. A friend of mine recently got a Mesa Boogie rig and we were jamming on it last weekend. He's got a Simul-Class 2:90 power amp, a Triaxis preamp, and a Boogie 4x12 cabinet (don't remember the model). Wow! All I can say is wow! That thing chugs better than any amp I've ever played through. It gets such a tight low-end that it was overpowering the bass guitar we were using (in fairness the bass guitar was going straight into a cheap PA).

Anyway, I'm not really into heavy music anymore but I sure appreciate a nice heavy and tight guitar chug. If I was looking for a guitar rig for heavy music, that would be the one. The Triaxis can dial in tons of different tones and they all sound sweet. I'm sure it can do some mellower bluesy type stuff also... but the chug is to die for.

 

[gitrokr]

so what are the differences tone wise between say a crown amp a mesa recording pre and a dual or triple rectifier?? what are the pros and cons

 

[Outlaws]

so what are the differences tone wise between say a crown amp a mesa recording pre and a dual or triple rectifier?? what are the pros and cons

Well, the Crown amp is solid state if I am correct..........

...sooooo.....it is solidstate.

...and it is solidstate.......which means it is solidstate.


The Mesa Rectifier series is tube. Which means there are tubes in it. And if you have ever not been careful with a tube amp, then you know tubes are not very "solid".

Oh ya......and that guitar tone that we as guitar players will die for, comes from well lit power tubes. See, tubes have fire in them. So you are playing with fire basically. Which we all know is wrong. Which makes it right. Obviously. Otherwise we wouldn't do it. Right?

The preamp gives it tone too, but its the power tubes.

The there is the Rectifier section. Man, I am going to run out stupid jokes in a second so here goes nothing............

If you stick a fork in a wall socket you will get electricuted right? No. Try it. Nothing will happen I promise.

[go try it]



[I'm waiting]
























Okay so I might have been wrong. Shit happens man.

So then that means that there must actually be electricity coming out of the socket and that is how that thing works.

So anyways back to the point.....

There are three types of rectifiers. [rectifier being an actual word....like tissue, NOT Kleenex]

Solidstate, tube, and some funky-ass Mesa engineering device.

Each has a different feel to it. So you have to play it first.

Al I can say, and this is an extremely bias person opinion......



GOD BLESS THE TUBE RECTIFIER.

 

[jacobs]

a power amp SHOULD NOT be transparent.

the coveted tone of tube amps comes from the power amp tubes. not the pre amp tubes.

i hate mesa rectifiers and think they are ridiculously over rated. you might want to look into a vht, bogner, hiwatt, and orange amps.

i think you'll fall in love with a vht if you play one.

 

[shredfit]

It sounds like you need something fairly versatile. Here is an option that some may frown on, but (in the real world) it not only sounds great and very convincing...it might serve your application well.

1. Get the Marshall 1960 cab

2. Get a POD pro or Pro XT with the footswitch. When you try out the POD pro at the store don't listen to any of the pre-programmed patches (they pretty much all suck: what were they thinking?) You'll have to make your own patches without the speaker simulator crap(that's the first thing you turn off) and adjust them to your liking!

3. Get a good tube power amp to run your cab... Mesa Boogie makes the 50/50 and the 20/20. VHT makes one. or you could find a used Peavey 60/60 (I said the P word) no really, they are not that bad.

Then, you can create up to 32 different amp patch's w/effects that are really pretty good(very usable for live situations).

The main point here is NOT using the cab simulators in the POD pro and also using a tube power amp to drive your cab...

I'm using a rig like this live, and from a tone pureist standpoint (I know folks, I was a give me tubes or give me death person forever) It sounds so convincing that I really cannot tell the difference from the real deal (which I also own... but don't lug around to gigs any more).

Good luck on building your new rig!

Shred

 

[gitrokr]

i thiink im gonna go test a peavey xxx...i heard one live at it wa awesome...very clear, and it has the dampening switch thing...so what do you think about this matched with a 1960a