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Im looking to record vocals, acoustic guitar, and electric from a hot rod deluxe and im wondering what would be some decent mics to do this. im looking to buy mics from ebay, (is that even a good idea?) I have been looking at the at3035 and akg3000b, and i guess a shure 57. any suggestion for mics around these price ranges? I have been looking at a mackie 1202 mixer, but i don't know if i really need a pre amp or mixer, and really im confused as heck. any help would be greatly apreciated
 
Noooo Mr. Bill! Don't buy a C3000B. I can heartily recommend C2000B, which can be had for about $150 on ebay. It's good on cabs and vox, fair on acoustic, very good on toms and hand percussion. The C3000B is a bright, often harsh mic with far fewer applications than a C2000B, for more money.-Richie
 
as for pre-amp or mixer, it depends how many channels you are recording at one and your budget. if you want to record one or two good channels at a time, get a dedicated preamp. for the money of a mackie you might well be able to get a pre such as the m-audio dmp3 and a small yamaha mg series mixer for other general use. this will give you a better recording chain and you still have a shiny mixer with lots of controls to fiddle with....
 
So you guys think i should scrap the mackie if im not gonna be using more than two mics? what exactly are cabs? cabinets? aka an amp? I don't think i care about precussion at this time. are pre amps generally better than the pres in mixers (say the b1 or m-audio compared to the 1202)? if so would i even need a mixer? can a pre adjust the line out level?
jacob
 
yes, cabs = amp cabinets. we're lazy around here. :D

the B1 is a sleeper mic at $80 and while it excels on nothing in particular, it's pretty solid on just about everything. it's my favorite amp mic of my meager "collection". basically, for recording, i use it just about anywhere i'd use an sm57 and it pretty much always does a better job (more detailed). it's ok as a vocal mic--sucks on my voice, but is pretty good on a friends'.

a pair of small diaphragm condensers would serve you well on acoustic. maybe a pair of oktava mc-012s or mxl 603s at the bottom of the line. there are many, many more choices going up the price line.

vocal mics are completely dependent upon one's voice. what's good on mine might suck on yours. test some out before you buy, b/c a lot of refund policies suck on mics. do YOU want to buy a new mic that some dude might've already spit in? me either. :p

so....how many channels are you looking to record at one time? and onto what medium? bottom line, all mics need a preamp. how many channels, what sort of color/flavor, what level of quality and what kind of outputs are driven entirely by your budget and goals.

also, utilize the search feature. you'll get a TON of info that way.


wade

PS--when people list what mics are good at, they tend to list *everything*......for instance, some very well known (and great) traditionally vocal mics also happen to be quite nice on kick drum.....
 
Drummer4Life05 said:
Check out the Studio Projects B1.

i second that mic. it's a very good beginner's mic at a very reasonable price ($80 new from MF i think)

justin
 
Well im hoping to record onto my computer, im figuring i need a new sound card (sb live probably doens't cut it). I probably will not have more than 3 mics going at once, more like two. I do want decent quality. i forget what estimate i have for spending, but maybe like 600? it seems that i can get the 1202 for like under 200 used, so that seems like a good investment. I've been wanting to put out a EP for some time, and i figure this equipment seems to be a good investment for a musician.
 
in a mixer you get 4 or 6 preamps as well as all that other electronics - faders, loads of pots, shielding between channels, loads of routing options ... if you buy a preamp unit for the same money you can guess what the relative quality of that compared to the pres in a mixer is. not that that's always true, but you get an idea.

in some other threads on this topic people have said they'd take a yamaha MG mixer over a mackie. now i'm not sure about that myself but i'd say, get two good channels of gain i.e. m-audio DMP3, upgrade your soundcard to an M-Audio Audiophile or delta 44/66, buy one or two SP B1 mics and if you have some dough left by all means get a yamaha or even a behringer mixer to play with and make up the extra channels if you start using more than 2 mics.
 
ok, so, for a novice with $600 and recording on computer and looking to get the best bang for the buck, this is what i'd do:

get a m-audio DMP3. this preamp will give you 2 channels into the computer at a time. it'll run you around $150 and resale value is pretty good when it comes time to upgrade.

get a pair of lower-end SDC's (MXL 603's, oktava MC-012's, etc). these'll run you about $150. use these on the acoustic and record it in stereo. i use the 603's on my (all-mahogany) Martin D15, and they sound excellent. ymmv.

get a studio projects B1. this will run you $80. this will give you a solid amp mic, as well as one that will work decently on acoustic and vocals (maybe).

with the other $220, i'd seriously look at auditioning a vocal mic in the $200-300 range. there are a number of them. an even better idea might be scrapping the B1 and saving up a little more for an Audio Technica 4033--they run between $250-400 (depending on new, used, etc), and are very solid performers on amps, vocals, acoustic, you name it. although, like has been said, vocal mics are very subjective to the voice.

at this point, i'd stay away from a mixer, unless you really need the ability for more channels (which will also require upgrading your soundcard), more complex signal routing or the ability to use it while playing live. the preamps you get in a DMP3 will be better than what you'll find in pretty much any sub-$500 mixer, and if quality is what counts, there ya have it. mind you, the 1202 is a decent entry-level mixer, but for the same money, you can get better quality (the DMP3).

i assume, of course, you've already got recording software. ;-)

next up when you have more cash will be monitors (you really DO want to realistically hear what you recorded, don't you? :D), maybe a headphone amp and some great headphones for tracking, a compressor or two, better mics, better preamps, some room treatment, even better mics and pres.....you DID say you had $6000, right? :p

seriously, for $600 you CAN get decent sound into the computer, and this is a decent start. realistically, you should look at around $1000 to have a "usable" entry-level signal and monitoring chain (don't underestimate the need for monitors). you'll find that your next piece of gear will likely be an RNC (FMR's Really Nice Compressor) for $175 and a set of powered monitors, and it's all a down-hill money sinkhole from there.


cheers,
wade

PS-- i started out on this very same path a little over a year ago, looking to record "acoustic and vocals and maybe an amp" and i have since invested roughly $5K and have expanded my requirements to "recording a full electric band playing live"......it really never ends--especially once your friends find out what you're doing and want you to record them too......
 
I have the DMP3. I really like it but I'm not really sure that with average gear you will hear THAT much difference between it and my Mackie. Especially if you use the inserts out on the Mackie. What you get with a mixer that you don't with a mic pre is the ability to monitor your mix. You also get a headphone out as well as inserts, aux channels, etc.

With your $600 budget, I think the 1202 makes a lot of sense, and gives you more flexibility. I agree with the SP B1. The M-audio sound cards are really good also. For a recording app I recommend N-Track . Best bang-for-the-buck app I know of.

Just some thoughts.

Blessings, Terry
 
thanks for all the advice... i think i plan on hooking up my stereosystem to my computer for mixing.. (im a audiophile with no money) so i don't think i'll need monitors (who knows though). going back to mics it seems that people don't favor the akgc3000b or the at3035? i've sorta read that the c1000b also sucks eh?
yeah, I have pro tools (free) it seems alright, i have used it a bit and seem to get the main jist (probably not though). Im still leaning towards picking up the 1202 if its only gonna be 50 more. but i guess i'll just have to decide that on my own.
jacob
 
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