DM1 said:
The charts deal with the first 4 axial standing waves, which in most rooms are bass frequencies .. So I think his assumption is fair, since (again, in most rooms) these frequencies are least affected by wall hangings and the like.
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Standing waves arise from the reflection of a single wavelength between 2 parallel surfaces. As you move the source towards one of these surfaces, you move it away from the other in the same amount ... So wouldn't the null stay in the same place?
Doug (and APL),
Thanks for the responses. For the record, I am not an expert on this subject either; I'm just thinking "out loud" and coming up with honest questions.
And you're right about the standing wave locations as being a property of the room independant of speaker location. I was thinking the wrong way in my original post about that. I understand that part of it now.
Also agreed on stuff like wall hangings. Larger items like chairs, couches, bookcases, people, etc., however, are a different story. Read on...
DM1 said:
It's obviously not a perfect system, but every little bit helps.
I guess the thing that comcerns me the most is that people are going to take that formula and the resulting charts as fast and precise answers to the question of room acoustics and placement. As soon as one complicates the situation with things like the furniture described above (including the mixing desk itself) and people (walking bass traps), it *does* change the properties of the room, even at low frequencies.
As APL stated earlier, and as we have seen time and time again on this forum, inches can make a world of difference. When the properties of the room are changed by everyday things of real mass (not just curtains and foam) that most of us do have in our home studios, these inches can move around quite a bit.
There was an interesting article in Mix (I think; it could have been SOS) in either September or October about a guy in a Big Boy studio control room that was trying to tame the bass to his liking. He found - and showed with detailed lab-quality RTA measurements - how just removing a tape deck and some empty guitar cases belonging to the band from one side wall signifigantly changed his bass response map; he also demonstrated the large difference it made when he opened up the space under the front of a mixing desk instead of having a front "kickboard" there.
Heck, we all preach every day how with just a couple of rolls of fiberglass we can treat rooms to affect the bass. We also preach how speaker placement - while maybe not affecting the properties of the room itself - does have an effect on the perceived response in other ways; things like the need for symmetry, for moving speakers off the wall, how choosing properly between the long wall and the short wall, etc. all make a large difference in the bass response characteristics of the monitoring chain, and that are not all necessarily reflected (pun intended) in the Knightfly maps. OK, the keeping off the wall is inferred in those maps, but there is nothing in those maps that indicates any need for symmetry, for staying away from corners, or for choosing long vs short walls, let alone how the shape of the mixing desk or the location of a couple of guitar cases can have a signifigant effect.
As long as you are in the green blocks you are OK. And as long as the room volume (not just the walls) is empty. The first assumption is wrong if you choose asymmetric green block positions, and the second one just does not happen in real life.
Every little bit helps, yes. I just feel the need to point out that hs method helps in describing and understanding the theoretical underpinings, but is probably not going to actually provide accurate maps for the average home recording control roomm, and ignores other important factors in room design and placement above and beyond the relationship of standing wave frequencies to wall dimension. Those looking to that spreadsheet and chart method as an easy button solution to finding ideal speaker and head locations is just likely to be disappointed as pleased, I would think. That's I think the important point here.
Again, just trying to hash it all out in my head.
G.