Soundblaster Audigy Platinum?

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Since I don't know of any places in Toronto that sell the Delta 44 sound cards, will a soundblaster audigy platinum do a somewhat good job when recording?

North York - Long and McQuade, near Steeles and Dufferin. I saw a Delta44 there. Don't know the price... call them.

I have the cheapo audigy for SoundFonts. (And games :) I suggest getting the Delta or better if you wanna record
 
Oh, and if you do decide to go with an audigy... stay away from the over priced premium blends like the platnium and the EX... just stick with a OEM card... its all you need.... I'm planning on giving it a brother (1010) when the price is right :)
 
I'm going to disagree here, and then respectfully bow out.

In the long run, the quality of the converters is going to have the greatest impact on your sound. All of the "might need" features should be secondary.

A recent Toms Hardware sums up Creatives BS marketing:

"Unlike the DMX 6Fire 24/96, the Audigy Platinum is not a "true" 24/96 and cannot play or record a file of this quality, nor even work on it. Actually, the only task it does in 96 kHz is a linkup with another device via the S/PDIF input. The card and rack components are all supposed to be 24-bit/ 96-kHz-compatible, but, in practice, the card is limited to 16 bits/ 48 kHz. Analog recording and restitution is possible in 24 bits/ 48 kHz, but, in fact, the processor downsamples in 16 bits and then upsamples. The card also has to be used with the sample rate conversion (SRC) software provided in order to work in 44.1 kHz. It's just a pity that Creative has not given this product an automatic SRC hardware option by using, say, a Cirrus Logic CS8420 chip. And it's really a pity that the card is not completely 24-bit/ 96-kHz-compatible. But the Audigy can model, process and position several sound sources separately and in real time. "

Yes the audigy has built in firewire, but notice they call it SB1394 and they have a list of "SB1394 compatible" firewire devices. This just screams back to the old days when creative was putting shitty IDE controllers on thier soundcards and pumping out CDROM drives that did meet ATAPI specs. Now that's just me whining, I'm not saying that for a fact that the firewire support isn't any good...I just don't trust creative anymore than I trust HP or Compaq anymore. (I did see a review where the SB was several MB slower than a firewire card, but reviews are relative) Oh, did I mention that SB1394 only works on Win98SE?

At any rate, if you purchase the Audigy you're purchasing a soundblaster, no if's and's or but's about it. The card is primarily focused on gaming and entry level "musicians". You can find the card at your local Staples, and it'll come in a sweet looking box loaded with buzzwords and inside will be all sorts of bundled "limited edition" software and maybe even a couple games. In the end, however, you can expect soundblaster quality recording.

Is the quality of a soundblaster that bad? No, in fact if you have to have a consumer soundcard, a soundblaster is the way to go. In fact, I'm thinking about snagging an SB Live! Value myself for soundfont support. HOWEVER, the audigy is not a cheap card. Even the entry level versions at $50....you're only $100 short of the cost of an m-Audio Audiophile which not only supports real numbers, but will simply SOUND better. And that's what it's all about, right?

If I were you, I'd use your existing soundcard, which might not sound too bad, until you can save up an extra 100 bucks. Now I know exactly what it's like to be cheap, because I'm really cheap too. But we're not quite into the threshold of pain here just yet. The difference between $50 and $150 isn't as big as the difference between, for instance, $300 and $400 according to my cheapskate manual here. :)

If you can save up to $230-250 you can grab a Delta44 which has a nice little breakout box that makes life a lot easier, and it has 4 ins and 4 outs. Once you get into computer recording and you toss out your tape machine (ok maybe you won't, but most people do), those extra inputs come in handy for sure.

So, to sum up: it is my opinion, as a cheapskate, that sound quality is most important when recording. The jump from high end consumer cards like the Audigy to low end prosumer cards like the Audiphile or Delta44 is a lot smaller than the jump from low end prosumer to high end prosumer/professional. The biggest bang for the buck in terms of sound quality will be found in the low end offerings from m-Audio, Echo, and similar companies.

Slackmaster 2000
 
Wellllllllll....... too late. Perhaps I should have read your post before I bought the Audigy card today, but so goes it. I think I'll install it and see what it does for me. If I'm not pleased, I can return it.

I gave $199 for this one... if I'd know I could get the Delta44 for another 40 or 50 bucks... well....

Hmmm.... guess I'll see what happens. I appreciate the info here, greatly.. please keep it coming.....

I'll be installing now....:)

Lane
 
199?????

OH MAN. Please take it back. Seriously if you can. You got mega screwed. You could have gotten an Audiophile and a cheap SB Live (for soundfonts) for less than $199.

Well I guess you did want firewire too....so maybe it was worth it... oh man, that's a lot of money for a souped up gamer card.

I thought maybe you'd blow 50 bucks on one of the cheaper audigy models. $199? Oh man oh man oh man.

Ok I'm calmed down. I honestly hope you get your money's worth no matter what you end up with. We're all just here lookin out for one another. I'm not trying to poke fun or rub anything in.

Slackmaster 2000
 
Hey.... I take no offense at all... I'm asking questions here 'cause I want answers, not just what I want to hear..... so keep feeding the info....

Now, I will play with this over the weekend and seriously consider returning it if I'm not 100% happy with it....

Tell me about other options in the same price range and where to find them... that Delta44 sounded pretty interesting if it has a breakout box, 'cause I'd like the inputs/outputs... that's why I went with this card, because it has the front box that fits in a drive bay..... but... if I can do better.....
 
Hey,Slackmaster...i´ve been reading all this post about Audigy,i´ve got a Live!1024 just for the MIDI/Soundfonts (i rec the audio on a vs-880ex)and i´m thinking about to change it into an Audigy-Oem, please,could you tell if it´s worth that,..?

and one more thing ...for once...what is exactly "Firewire" for...i mean,what are the advantages of that...is that related to Audio,or is that something just to speed up transfers...or what...?
many thanks on any help,
 
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Gidge...... does that mean you agree? I should take it back? And if so... what should I get instead and where do I find it??
 
i cant say whats right or wrong for you....

i was hoping youd go for the $50 cheapo version.....
www.pricewatch.com
search "audigy"

if you can return it, id hold off a bit and make do with the onboard card for now...get your feet wet...have fun....pick up some pointers here.....

with that $200 though you can get the $50 Audigy and a $159 Delta Audiophile 2496 soundcard and youd have a really nice setup......
 
OrangeGangster said:
Hey,Slackmaster...i´ve been reading all this post about Audigy,i´ve got a Live!1024 just for the MIDI/Soundfonts (i rec the audio on a vs-880ex)and i´m thinking about to change it into an Audigy-Oem, please,could you tell if it´s worth that,..?

and one more thing ...for once...what is exactly "Firewire" for...i mean,what are the advantages of that...is that related to Audio,or is that something just to speed up transfers...or what...?
many thanks on any help,

The only advantage (besides gaming stuff) I can see with the audigy is that it can support really large soundfonts. Up to 1GB is what I've heard. The Live! only supports up to 32MB. Granted, this is also dependent on your System RAM.

Oh, and I wouldnt consider the live as a TRUE Firewire card. Especially for audio purposes because it really can't utilitize a true firewire bandwidth. I'd say its good for small firewire peripherals such as a web cam or scanner or something. Not a MOTU or anything.
 
Slack,

> A recent Toms Hardware sums up Creatives BS marketing: <

I don't trust Tom's at all anymore. In their Audigy review they show the frequency response as having 6 dB. ripples every 500 Hz. Clearly they measured incorrectly!

And not to be a Creative defender, which I'm not, but you can't point the finger at them for "BS marketing." Most vendors are full of it, and in my experience the more expensive the product the worse the BS gets. This is just as true in pro audio as it is in consumer audio. Even worse, maybe.

> At any rate, if you purchase the Audigy you're purchasing a soundblaster, no if's and's or but's about it. <

That simply is not true. The Audigy uses a newer chipset, and it has far less hiss than the SB Live it replaces. The Audigy may not be the best sound card in the world, but for $60 it's a great deal. Especially when you consider it comes with a $1000 sampler!

That said, I will point out that the Audigy currently suffers from a fatal bug in its SoundFont playback, which is a driver issue that will be fixed in the next update. Currently, some looped SoundFonts play with disturbing clicks, and with multi-layer samples sometimes one layer plays back at the wrong pitch.

--Ethan
 
Wow.... I'm in over my head on all this stuff... I'm going to take some time here to really try to decide if I bought the right thing, or if I should return it and go with something else...

OK. I've installed the Audigy and it seems to work fine - but then this is my first sound card, so I don't really know. I'm just starting to play with recording so we'll see how that goes today. A couple of dissapointments - the front mounted box with inputs/outputs is what attracted me to this one, and it's cool... but I find it only allows one 1/4 phone plug in.... so I cant record with both a mic and a guitar pickup or two mics... I guess I have to put one into a 1/8" with an adapter.....

I also have found a decent mixer software, but then I haven't been through all that came with it yet... I want to be able to record a couple of tracks and then mix them.....

Oh.... the firewire thing - I can do that with a separate card if need be, so I'm not hung up on hagving it incorporated into the sound card necessarily...

So..I'll keep experimenting.... and waiting for more info from you helpful folks so I can decide to keep or not...

Thanks
 
Lane, don't panic, the Audigy is a fine card. It is agreat general purpose card with the added benefits of soundfont support. When you see what you can do with soundfonts you will be amazed.

On the Live! Centre web site, they currently have a shoot out with another serious sound card from Terratec. The following is a conclusion:


So, the user whose sole desire is a high-performance card for digital recording and for working in 24 bits/ 96 kHz should choose the DMX 6Fire 24/96, without forgetting that, for music creation and effects, it will need the extra investment of a dedicated card. And the user who is a bit less exacting about sound fidelity and neutrality but wants a lot of choice without having to invest too much money will have no trouble in opting for the Audigy Platinum. It's just a shame that Creative Labs did not go all the way to 24 bits/ 96 kHz, as this certainly would have drawn in more musicians.


This confirms what people are saying on this site. For sound recording, it will never compete against cards like Delta. It wasn't designed to. But it will give you a more than adequate sound, plus soundfonts.

It depends on your requirements, is recording something you will do seriously, is your computer used for game playing, by other members of your family, is direct soundfont support of interest for midi playback?

I use a soundblaster Live! and enjoy it, but I am aware of its drawbacks, especially when recording. The Audigy is an improvement, it doesn't hiss as much and it can play larger soundfonts.

I will add a Delta card later this year and will use the soundblaster for soundfonts.

So don't despair. Make your own judgements based on what you feel is right for your application.

And most of all, make music!
 
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Paul,
Thank you for that! Makes me feel a little better.....

To answer your questions: recording seriously? Well... somewhat - all I'm looking to do is to play guitar, use my mic and get good recordings, for fun, not pro (not that good!) But I'd like to be able to record some songs, maybe e-mail 'em, put them on CD.. and I want to be able to do a little mixing and effects - but strictly acoustic stuff - no electric, now wah-wah, etc!

No, I dont use my computer for games - but I do want to be able to edit video from my camcorder, maybe add music, etc.

Now... as to soundfonts - I barely know what they are, let alone what I will do with them - but I know enough to think I want to look into it more..... midi playback? I don't know - what is it??? See, I'm pretty dumb on this stuff - but want to learn!

So...is this card still the right thing for me, in your opinion???

THANKS!
 
Ethan, I don't like Tom's much either. However, he summed up the trickery used by Creative in their 24/96 claim well enough (and it was the first site that popped up in my google search). Trickery it is. In fact they at least used to mention the limitations of the card on their website, but I see that they've conveniently gotten rid of those statements altogether.

I would put money on the Audigy sounding considerably worse than anything in the lower m-Audio or Event Electronics range. He didn't spend $60 on his audigy, he spent TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS.

"Hiss" is the least of your concerns when shopping for a soundcard that's going to be used for recording. I haven't heard hiss being mentioned in a soundcard review for a long time. The noise floor even on my crappy old PCI128 and AudioPCI is down under -70db. Those are $15 cards. I would be less concerned with hiss and more concerned with overall sound quality for anything aimed at the recording market being produced today.

Again, he spent TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS on a soundblaster. I know I'm sounding kind of angry in this post, but I'm not. I just want to make sure that we're all clear that we're talking about two hundred dollars for a creative labs soundcard that's going to be used for recording. A card that is still half aimed at the gamer market, with built in firewire just for the hell of it. I personally think this was a very big mistake, unless somebody is willing to come out and say that the converters are of the same quality as the Delta series or Echo Mia (which aren't even astounding to begin with).

But even if they are the same quality, which they won't be, why not buy the card with balanced connectors and true 24/96 support? For $30 more than he spent he could have gotten a Delta44 which would have given him 4 balanced inputs and outputs and true 24/96 recording/playback....and a real breakout box that allows him to isolate each in/out. For the same price he could have gotten an Echo Mia which also has true 24/96 support, and balanced inputs, and SPDIF. He's already got MIDI support on his soundcard, and if he wants soundfonts some day he can fork out 30-50 bucks for a card that'll do soundfonts.

I wouldn't have been concerned if he'd gotten a 50 dollar audigy, but I must admit that I was shocked when he said he paid two hundred dollars. Again, I hope it works out perfectly for him and he doesn't have a single complaint about the card nor his missing two hundred dollars. I'm just not sure that in 6 months he's not going to be looking to upgrade to a better system.

Slackmaster 2000
 
Lane, I started out 18 months ago with a freebie Cakewalk software package and an old awe soundblaster card. I could only record 2 tracks at a time.

I then upgraded to CWExpress and then to Home Studio 2002. And I upgraded my AWE 64 to a soundblaster Live! Platignum for $170. Why did I go this long winded route?

Well I did so with my eyes open, as far as they could be.

And I wasn't sure if I could really get into recording, I didn't know what soundfonts were and recording magazines could have been written in Martian for what they were talking about.

And I ain't that much of a computer wizz either.

So I started slowly and built up my knowledge and my experience. The Live! bit was important because I wanted/needed a front loading panel. Soundblaster was important to me cos I know it directly supported soundfonts (when you learn about them, it will change your life!). And as the computer has to satisfy my kids penchant for playing games, the soundblaster was a perfect solution. And I have not been disapointed.

But now, 6 months later, I am now condfident in what I am doing and understand much more. So I will add a serious sound card next, keeping my S/blaster for soundfonts.

And people could accuse me of being stupid, cos I bought an old s/blaster instead of an Audigy which was just about to come out. But I decided not to be so brave on a new card and go with something tried and tested. Now, if in the same position, I would go for the Audigy. But the Audigy is not a "serious" music recording sound card, like the M Audio range. Yet I have recorded many sessions with my Soundblaster and yes I can notice the hiss but its a damn sight less than any tape recorder and you have the Audigy which has improved noise levels yet again over what I have. And I can use tools to reduce the hiss so it cannot be noticed.

What you spent was a lot of money and yes for $50/60 bucks more you could have got a better prforming sound card. But what you have is not bad and will do its job admirably. And in six months or more (or less) you can add another card when you feel ready.

It is a matter of weighing up your requirements, experience and skill level....and useage. And then make your call.

Good Luck!
:) :)
 
Jeez.... Slackmaster.... I didn't mean to upset you with my stupidity.... You seem to know this gear, but I really cant' make sense of your information....

Paul. Thanks for your reply.... I think I get the idea. This card will do what I want to do, and it sounds like I'll figure out what sondfonts will do for me in relation to my recording? I sure don't want to be wasting my money here, and I know that I paid extra for the front mount inputs - I knew that. I'm a bit dissapointed that I can only plug in one thing at a time though. So... to be able to record just my mic and guitar, will I need to do that in two separate sessions and then mix it? I'll need mixing software, I take it? Hmmm... something else to find....
 
As I mentioned in my post, I am not "upset."

I'm just shocked to see people defending a 200 dollar soundblaster. At $50 it's not a bad deal....ah whatever, no big deal.

You've made your decision and that's cool. The things you don't understand are exactly why I popped back in to tell you to reconsider your purchase. Unfortunately I'm not very good at explaining things :( I'm going to bow out now because I don't want to turn your first buying experience into a big debate. I certainly don't want there to be any sour vibes between us either.

Slackmaster 2000
 
OH... that's OK.. I do appreciate the info. I dont' know that I HAVE made my decision.. in fact, I'm changing my mind, I think.... we'll see....
 
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