Sound-on-Sound review of Oktava Tube Mic

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acorec said:
The fundamental flaw here is that you BELIEVE what some idot wrote.

Um . . . no.

Actually, I'm asking a question about third-order harmonics . . . and admitting my own confusion and ignorance on the subject.

The reviewer actually seems to like the mic. If you think he's an idiot, then you're contradicting yourself. :D I'm just questioning Oktava's deliberate introduction of third harmonics, and what possible effect they might have -- good or bad. That's all. The fact that you like the mic has been noted, though, so thank you.
 
I love SOS reviews. They make me feel so much better about the equipment I already own.
 
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chessrock said:
Um . . . no.

Actually, I'm asking a question about third-order harmonics . . . and admitting my own confusion and ignorance on the subject.

The reviewer actually seems to like the mic. If you think he's an idiot, then you're contradicting yourself. :D I'm just questioning Oktava's deliberate introduction of third harmonics, and what possible effect they might have -- good or bad. That's all. The fact that you like the mic has been noted, though, so thank you.

The reviewer quoted this wrong. The power supply does not add anything. All it does is power the tube at the appropriate voltage (they run the tube at a specific V+) so that the tube runs in the range favoring harmonic distortion. As the tube bias voltage goes up, the tube emits more harmonic distortion. The filtering of this distortion can give you even/odd harmonics. Odd harmonic distortions make the sound brighter to our ears. This method has been used by the british designers for years. The MKL2500 was really designed by the british partners of Oktava and shows in the sound. The short PS cable shows the regular stupidity of the russians, too.
 
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acorec said:
Odd harmonic distortions make the sound brighter to our ears.

I am also aware of this, vaguely. Odd order is usually perceived by our ears/brain as "bright," while even is generally perceived as having greater weight/size.

I realize the 200 bucks or whatever is a pretty minute amount to pay for a decent tube mic, so why even be sceptical. :D But still, if I'm going to buy a tube mic, I'm buying it for the (perceived) size of image they give in the monitors. Not added presence. That's just not what I look for in a tube mic.
 
mandocaster said:
I love SOS reviews. They make me feel so much better about the equipment I already own.

Quote of the Week!

You happened to beat a good one this week:

"Aww, that makes me feel all analog inside." -PSDub

p.s. No deal LD & SoM, those Distressors are mine!
 
OK, I'm willing to share. If someone should leave three Distressors on Chessrock's doorstep, let's agree that Mallcore, SoMM, and I each get one of them. Hell, we're not afraid of no stinkin' third harmonics!
 
Wow, Littledog. According to your logic, you guys might as well just let me keep your distressors, as it appears the Russians have just come out with a mini-distressor for about a tenth or so of the cost, and have somehow managed to cram it in to a microphone casing and slapped an oktava logo on it. :D


Well, hot damn. You heard it right here first from Littledog, fellas. Anything that generates a degree of the third-order goodies is obvioualy a viable substitute for the venerable distressor.
 
Chess, I might have misinterpreted your original post, or perhaps confused your comments with some of the others. It seemed that you or perhaps somebody else was throwing out for consideration that if a piece of gear generates third order harmonics, it probably isn't a very good sounding piece of gear. Perhaps I misunderstood, but that seemed to be the thrust of the discussion for a while.

Generation of any order (2nd, 3rd, 12th, etc.) harmonics doesn't make a piece of gear good or bad - like anything else, it's all how it's implemented. My breezy comments were just meant in good fun to point you (or others) towards checking out the Empirical Labs Distressor - one of the most useful, versatile, and highly sought after pieces of gear that is ubiquitous in almost any top studio. A huge number of pro studios have more than one. You will all be interested to see, if you download the manual, how the Distressor makes use of third order harmonics to achieve part of its signature sound.

The Distressor manual is really well written and makes for some great reading. I think most of you would find it fascinating.

Anyway, certainly didn't mean to offend anyone. Seems like slightly humorous responses and having a bit of fun while gently pointing out misconceptions have been the norm around here for quite some time. Sorry if you think I stepped over the line.
 
You don't have to explain, LD.

I know where you're coming from. I was just having some fun with your distressor analogy. You obviously made your point with it, but I'm also trying to bring us back to reality and point out that we are, after all, dealing with a cheap microphone -- and one from a company with a spotty QC history at best.

This just kind of raises some red flags. I mean, I'm not sure if cheap tube gear and third-order harmonics necessarilly tend to go well together. Maybe I'm wrong, but good or bad, it just seems that if these kinds of harmonics have a downside, you'd think cheap tube gear might do a pretty good job of exploiting those. Or at least a better job than a trusted manufacturer of quality outboard tools like Empiracle Labs.

So my problem isn't so much in the medicine, as it is in the delivery method. If third-order harmonics are the medicine, would you rather have it administered by a trusted, skilled physician like the distressor . . . or by the dirty needle of some Russian doctor with a history of malpractice? :D
 
We're cool, Chess.

I admit I'm a little gunshy about offending anyone these days. A few months back I got banned from a different forum for daring to disagree with one of the moderators about a few things. I wasn't particulalry sarcastic or impolite, either. Just tried to show that alternate points of view could be legitimate.

Being banned wasn't so bad. As we all know, there's plenty of other places to play. But evidently the guy follows me around now and monitors my posts, because the first and only time in months I even made an allusion to his forum (carefully neither mentioning him nor his board), he suddenly shows up and goes into an insane tirade about how I'm essentially the most despicable person on earth and how I was masterminding some sort of conspiracy of evil against all that was good and wonderful on the internet!

The irony is, probably only six people even knew what i was talking about in my original comment, but in his ardent fervor to defend his "good name", now probably at least 100 got to witness first hand a raving paranoid in action.

Going back and rereading the thread, I notice now that it wasn't Chessrock who made the blanket statement "2nd order good, 3rd order bad." It was someone else. Sorry. I should reread more often before opening my mouth! My instinctive red flags go up when someone makes blanket statements that come across as dogmatic, especially when there are real life examples that contradict the dogma.

That's actually one of the things that got me in trouble at the other place. Because the guy was so narrow minded in his pronouncements, I couldn't help but occasionally politely point out certain logical flaws in his belief system. (e.g. I believe all inexpensive gear is, by definition, crap. Even if i've never heard it or tried it. And I will continue to say it's crap until such time as the manufacturer wants to send me a free unit to review, in which case i might reconsider. And anyone who says I shouldn't condemn gear I've never heard is obviously a troll sent by the manufacturers or dealers or other mainstream reviewers who want to silence me. Well, i won't be silenced. And I'll make sure they won't pollute my wonderful forum. Their threads will be deleted. They'll be banned. They can go crying to their mothers "Mommee, Mommmeee! Wah! Wah! Wah!" , or they can come here and I'll slap the taste out of their mouths. rant rant rave rave foam at mouth etc.)

Well, you get the picture. (The above is a paraphrase, not a direct quote. The actual quotes would be a lot worse.)

Anyway, that's neither here nor there. I'm certainly not comparing ANYONE at homerec to him. Just that I'm really not looking to turn anyone else into a lifelong enemy. One weirdo in my life is enough! :cool:
 
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The recording.org police got to ya, huh? :D lol. That's some funny stuff.
 
I bought an MKL2500 a couple of days ago at GC, and got it out for tracking for the first time this morning.

The power supply was DOA, no lights, nobody home.

I guess this is why everybody says to try Oktava out before you take it home.
 
littledog said:

Going back and rereading the thread, I notice now that it wasn't Chessrock who made the blanket statement "2nd order good, 3rd order bad." It was someone else. Sorry. I should reread more often before opening my mouth! My instinctive red flags go up when someone makes blanket statements that come across as dogmatic, especially when there are real life examples that contradict the dogma.

It was I who made the statement "Even order good, odd order bad." That was meant to be a parody of "Four legs good, two legs bad" from Orwell's Animal Farm, which itself was poking fun at dogmatic statements.
The first statement in my post, "It seems you would be right, sir!" was meant as a parody of Ed McMahon's fawning answer to Johnny Carson "You are correct, sir!"

I just live in my own little world. Pay no attention.
 
chessrock said:
Just got done reading up on SOS's review of the Oktava MKL2500.


Now, someone help me out, here, because I don't know if I've got my shit straight on this . . .


Quote from the article: " . . . the power supply has been designed so as to deliberately introduce a measure of third-harmonic distortion with a view to adding both brightness and warmth."

Now this is where I'm a little confused. Isn't third-harmonic distortion the dirty, gritty, yucky kind that makes things sound either muddy or brittle? I mean, whouldn't you be better off running your vocal track through a Marshall JCM2000 or a big muff pie or something?

Maybe I'm just confused. Someone set me straight on this.

Thanks in advance!


I believe tape puts off mostly third order harmonic distortion.

Nathan Eldred
atlasproaudio.com
 
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