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tedluk
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Krakit said:Not to be contrary, but what do you base this on? I've owned Roland gear for decades. It works as well today as ever. I only just recently purchased a used MKS-70 from eBay. This unit has an old IC chip that prevents the latest software editors from comunicating with it. Roland is providing a new IC chip to me for free. I'm not the original owner and this unit is about 20 years old and STILL Roland is giving me free chips for it. These chips aren't stock surplus either. They burn this chips to order when requested. They've been supporting the MKS-70 like this from the beginning. So I would say that when it comes to support, Roland is certainly going the extra mile.
As for the OS being "abysmal" that's a matter of opinion. I've got an Alesis QSR and a Yamaha AN200. Between them I've only created two patches and both of them were for the AN200. My Roland JX-8P without the luxery of a PG800 or software programmer sports over 200 of my own user created patches (mostly kept on M-16C cartridges).
I really like Roland for the most part. I hate those crappy pitch/mod padals and many of their boards have lousy action, but other than that they are top draw as far as I'm concerned.
Carl
I, too have owned Roland gear for decades. In fact, I remember as a teenager going to LA and visiting Roland's offices when they had just begun here in the US. My friend and I were actually allowed in (what were they thinking??) and I remember being surprised that they wanted to talk to us about what we were interested in and what kind of products we wanted to see. This was in the early '70s when small, manageable synths were just starting to come to market.
What I base my opinion on is that I have never owned even one piece of Roland gear that didn't come with a "gotcha". They advertise their products as being capable of doing things which, technically speaking, they can do, but the implementation of the features makes them all but useless. Case in point- The JV1010 module is advertised as being multitimbral and having editable sounds. Wellllll....kinda. They included a stand alone version of Sound Diver that few people were able to get working. So much for programming since it can't be done from the module itself. Of course, they neglect to tell you that. Multitimbral? I know it is, but almost no one can decipher the manual to get this working either. I gave up long ago. I know there have been articles written on how to do it, but that's my point. Why should a third party need to write an article to explain how a basic function of the product should work? I could list others as well, but you get my point. Without exception, every Roland I have owned was missing a feature, or that feature was useless, that would/should have been basic and obvious.
This is just one example of how Roland approaches marketing. They spend an immense amount of money on advertising, which, not surprisingly, NEVER contains any typographical or grammatical errors. However, their manuals are legendary for their horrific translations, mistakes and lack of clarity. I remember my TB303 manual warned against "idiotic operation" (a valid suggestion no doubt). Perhaps if they spent a little more money on the technical end of things and a little less on marketing I would have different feelings about the company.
As for support. To be honest, I have had little interaction with them personally. I have read of others travails though and I have had the frustration of attempting to locate a manual for some of their products which, until recently, they've made sure were not available online (embarrassment perhaps?).
My remarks are, of course, MY opinion and you are entitled to yours. I just have chosen not to enrich them with any more of my money until they make an effort to design their products better and give them decent documentation. Every time I'm at the music store and start playing a Roland board and think, "Hey! This thing's pretty cool!" I remind myself of past disappointments and walk away. (Of course if anyone wants to send me a Fantom XA gratis, I'm willing to make an exception

I've found both Korg and Yamaha to have clearly written manuals even if they're overly complicated.
Ted