Barometer
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Far as I know Toki the best way is the clean slate. I gave up on upgrades after 98SE and always backup and FDisk the drive before changing OS. It's a pain, but at least you know it's a clean install 
James Argo
Fancy Rock N' Roll
I don't know how many times I post this link... but Click here. It's true for XP guys... just have to know how to do that right...
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RWhite
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While I can't really disagree with what Slackmaster is saying about Win XP, in my case I blew right past 2000 and have finally (after some misgivings) embraced Bill's latest child. For reasons that have nothing to do with music production.
The fact is that Win XP at it's core has very little difference from 2000. Just check the version numbers - Microsoft calls Windows 2000 "NT 5.0" and Windows XP "NT 5.1". But XP is a VAST improvement over 2000 if your objective is to be compatible with older software & hardware. In this one area there is no comparison - XP is far superior. However if you don't care about compatibility with old stuff, then Win 2000 will work just fine for you.
I do find it amusing when people bitch about how XP "hides" everything. Well, yes it does. Lets face it, 95% of all computer users are computer illiterates who have no clue what the hell they are doing. The new XP interface was designed for them. Fortunately someone at Microsoft spent a fair amount of time designing XP so that with 3 simple steps you can make it look almost exactly like Win 98, with all those glorious control options available again.
If you want to keep the Win 98 interface (and I much prefer it) just do the following -
Step one - Go to Control Panel / Display and change the theme to Windows Classic.
Step two - Go to Control Panel / Task Bar & Start Menu. select Start Menu and change it to Classic Start Menu.
Step Three - Open ANY folder. Go to tools / Folder Options. under Tasks switch to "Use Classsic Folders". Then go to View. Select Show Hidden Files and folders. Select Show Controll Panel in My Computer. Uncheck Hide Extensions for known File types.
Now your Windows XP looks like good 'ol Win 98.
The fact is that Win XP at it's core has very little difference from 2000. Just check the version numbers - Microsoft calls Windows 2000 "NT 5.0" and Windows XP "NT 5.1". But XP is a VAST improvement over 2000 if your objective is to be compatible with older software & hardware. In this one area there is no comparison - XP is far superior. However if you don't care about compatibility with old stuff, then Win 2000 will work just fine for you.
I do find it amusing when people bitch about how XP "hides" everything. Well, yes it does. Lets face it, 95% of all computer users are computer illiterates who have no clue what the hell they are doing. The new XP interface was designed for them. Fortunately someone at Microsoft spent a fair amount of time designing XP so that with 3 simple steps you can make it look almost exactly like Win 98, with all those glorious control options available again.
If you want to keep the Win 98 interface (and I much prefer it) just do the following -
Step one - Go to Control Panel / Display and change the theme to Windows Classic.
Step two - Go to Control Panel / Task Bar & Start Menu. select Start Menu and change it to Classic Start Menu.
Step Three - Open ANY folder. Go to tools / Folder Options. under Tasks switch to "Use Classsic Folders". Then go to View. Select Show Hidden Files and folders. Select Show Controll Panel in My Computer. Uncheck Hide Extensions for known File types.
Now your Windows XP looks like good 'ol Win 98.
kristian
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Ok, process of elimination. I took EVERYTHING out of my PC. and just left the cd drive and video card. installed windows. everything was fine. Put in SCSI and the CDR, everything fine. Put in the Delta and BOOM!!! computer no longer starts. Took it out... its fine. So its a clean install. BOO HISS!!! Don't know what to do now.
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Sangram
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No, no, no. You have to leave the Delta plugged in while doing a clean install. Win2K is flaky when it tries to add devices later on.
You have to do this whole thing again.
Try moving the Delta to another slot. the slot may be going bad. Rare, but not unheard of.
Any other PCI cards in the system?
Disable power Management in BIOS before installing.
Try putting the Delta in before the SCSI card.
You have to do this whole thing again.
Try moving the Delta to another slot. the slot may be going bad. Rare, but not unheard of.
Any other PCI cards in the system?
Disable power Management in BIOS before installing.
Try putting the Delta in before the SCSI card.
kristian
New member
been there, done that.
I've already tried an install with the delta in. that was futile, it wouldn't go past the first boot where you set up users etc. so I'm pretty lost. I'm unfortunately going to have to call/email m-audio to see what they say. It is entirely possible the card died.
I've already tried an install with the delta in. that was futile, it wouldn't go past the first boot where you set up users etc. so I'm pretty lost. I'm unfortunately going to have to call/email m-audio to see what they say. It is entirely possible the card died.
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Sangram
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Yes that is entirely possible.
I still wouldn't rule out a bad PCI slot but you must've tried that.
I still wouldn't rule out a bad PCI slot but you must've tried that.
kristian
New member
yes, defiitely tried that. I have an Abit SE6 mobo so i have plenty of slots to try. Its a high quality motherboard so i don't see that fizzling out soon.
Barometer
New member
Re: been there, done that.
I had a power supply problem with my Delta 1010. It was bought used with no documentation or receipt. Called M-audio, they gave me a RMA #, I boxed and shipped it and less than 2 weeks later I had my Delta back working perfectly, no questions asked. So as far as hardware support, they're great about it. Good Luck!
kristian said:
I had a power supply problem with my Delta 1010. It was bought used with no documentation or receipt. Called M-audio, they gave me a RMA #, I boxed and shipped it and less than 2 weeks later I had my Delta back working perfectly, no questions asked. So as far as hardware support, they're great about it. Good Luck!
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zekthedeadcow
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lets hire a programmer and have our own distrubution of Linux put out solely for audio recording 
I use XP Pro but being that it's the first windows platforme I owned in three years I forgot how dissappointing windws can be. I got an illegal operation during the first install. It constantly corrupts the installation ID so if I travel I have to call microsoft to get my computer to turn on. I had to talk to an MS operator once "So, this is your 10th install this week?" I guess they think I'm a pirate
Most of my problems are due to a Ethernet card but my Maxtor Hard drive doesn't like UDMA mode either. Some one earlier said "Can I do 24 tracks at once?" hell I can bairly do 24 tracks period at 16bit 44.1 khz.
1.3 ghz intel 512 MB DDR RAM
I did find a good XP tweak website and I think I'm functioning much better now but I get more buffer glitchs
I use XP Pro but being that it's the first windows platforme I owned in three years I forgot how dissappointing windws can be. I got an illegal operation during the first install. It constantly corrupts the installation ID so if I travel I have to call microsoft to get my computer to turn on. I had to talk to an MS operator once "So, this is your 10th install this week?" I guess they think I'm a pirate
Most of my problems are due to a Ethernet card but my Maxtor Hard drive doesn't like UDMA mode either. Some one earlier said "Can I do 24 tracks at once?" hell I can bairly do 24 tracks period at 16bit 44.1 khz.
1.3 ghz intel 512 MB DDR RAM
I did find a good XP tweak website and I think I'm functioning much better now but I get more buffer glitchs
barefoot
barefootsound.com
I HATE my 98 SE!
How about some advice for a primarily Acid Pro/DX plugins user? 2000 or XP? Does it matter?
barefoot
How about some advice for a primarily Acid Pro/DX plugins user? 2000 or XP? Does it matter?
barefoot
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bdemenil
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DougC said:
Memory Hog? Win98 and WinME are the memory hogs. They have a problem with memory de-allocation - which means that often when you close programs, the memory they were using isn't freed up.
WinXP uses a little more RAM than 2K on startup (~48MB). At the price of RAM these days, this isn't much of an issue.
OS stability is not a completely relative thing. For almost any type of use, and on any fairly modern platform, win 2K and XP will be far more stable than win98 and Me.
tyler657recpro
Member
man im seriously going to go and buy a mac. someone talk me out of it!
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bdemenil
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Don't do it - please...for God's sake don't...tyler657recpro said:
Barometer
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tyler657recpro said:
You'll be sorry.....
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Polaris20
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barefoot said:
I use both, 2K on my desktop, and XP on my notebook, using Acid with DX plug-ins. Both work fine.
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deadeye
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Maudio says "Kill ACPI"
Brad,
The techies at Maudio (assuming you're using a Delta) told me yesterday that when you first install Win2K you have the opportunity at some point during the install to tell your machine you want to run in "Standard PC" mode. They said you DO NOT want to run in ACPI mode. What ACPI does is prevent you from selecting IRQs. When I checked my Win2K setup I found out my Delta 1010 card is sharing IRQ 11 with my nvidia G2 video card, my IDE hard drive controller, my modem and the USB buss. They will send you the procedure for changing away from ACPI but warn you to back up everything (in other words, be prepared to start ALL over).
Here's what they told me:
If Windows 2000 is already installed:
Go to Device Manager (Control Panel > System > Hardware), click on 'Computer', then double click on 'ACPI-PC'. Go on with 'Driver' and 'Update Driver'. Select 'Display a list of the known drivers for this device', then 'Show all hardware of this device class'. Now you can select 'Standard-PC' in the list shown in the right window.
Brad,
The techies at Maudio (assuming you're using a Delta) told me yesterday that when you first install Win2K you have the opportunity at some point during the install to tell your machine you want to run in "Standard PC" mode. They said you DO NOT want to run in ACPI mode. What ACPI does is prevent you from selecting IRQs. When I checked my Win2K setup I found out my Delta 1010 card is sharing IRQ 11 with my nvidia G2 video card, my IDE hard drive controller, my modem and the USB buss. They will send you the procedure for changing away from ACPI but warn you to back up everything (in other words, be prepared to start ALL over).
Here's what they told me:
If Windows 2000 is already installed:
Go to Device Manager (Control Panel > System > Hardware), click on 'Computer', then double click on 'ACPI-PC'. Go on with 'Driver' and 'Update Driver'. Select 'Display a list of the known drivers for this device', then 'Show all hardware of this device class'. Now you can select 'Standard-PC' in the list shown in the right window.
Michael Jones
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See, I always thought win2k was the better operating system.
So I bought the O/S and installed it on a new system.
The install was flawless! It went very smooth. I loaded up my S/W and it all ran, first time, every time!
Then I went to install the drivers for my audio S/W (Nuendo).
Big, fat, blue screen of death!
Corrupted the entire system. I had to re-format the HD, and re-install the O/S.
Loaded a new, different driver for Nuendo and win2k.
Big, fat, blue screen of death!
I gave up, and went back to win98se. **hangs head in shame**
I know, I know, but, everything works.
Maybe someday, I'll make the jump to hyper-space again.
So I bought the O/S and installed it on a new system.
The install was flawless! It went very smooth. I loaded up my S/W and it all ran, first time, every time!
Then I went to install the drivers for my audio S/W (Nuendo).
Big, fat, blue screen of death!
Corrupted the entire system. I had to re-format the HD, and re-install the O/S.
Loaded a new, different driver for Nuendo and win2k.
Big, fat, blue screen of death!
I gave up, and went back to win98se. **hangs head in shame**
I know, I know, but, everything works.
Maybe someday, I'll make the jump to hyper-space again.
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bdemenil
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Michael Jones said:
Nuendo and other audio software do not require drivers. Typically drivers are a type of software which allows your OS and other software to communicate with a piece of hardware, like your soundcard, through a common interface. If you install the wrong drivers for a piece of hardware, it could very well prevent the OS from booting. To undo the problem you would have to boot to safe mode and uninstall the troublesome driver. I doubt you needed to re-install the OS like that. Also, I recomend using XP - it gives you lots of flexibility to return you OS to previous states.
Michael Jones
New member
Did I say S/W? Geeez! Sorry. I meant driver for the soundcard!
It's an RME 96/52.
It's an RME 96/52.