songwritting fail - the silliest problem with songwritting

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Sometimes you have an idea, like "I wanna write a love song lyric" but you can't come up with the right chords for it.

Sometimes you have an idea and have the chords but you can't find the right words to express your idea.

Has anyone ever had the problem of wanting to write a song, being able to fix up a chord progression being able to improvise random lyrics at the momment. All you need is an idea like " I wanna make a song about *this*" but you can't just come up with a topic at all.
 
Of course we have. Wanting to write about something isn't the same as having something to say.

I don't feel bad about writing songs that have more meaning to me than anyone else. I like to write lyrics that evoke a feeling or create a mood with a collection of images rather than tell a story explicitly.
 
Of course we have. Wanting to write about something isn't the same as having something to say.

I don't feel bad about writing songs that have more meaning to me than anyone else. I like to write lyrics that evoke a feeling or create a mood with a collection of images rather than tell a story explicitly.

Like it man!

I never really write that way, by defining what I want to write about before hand. I find that it sounds too forced, its like any guitarist can bend a note, but a great guitarist can bend a note so you can really feel what he is playing about. if you know what I mean? Usually I have a guitar or piano by my side and I play some chords, if the right ones pop up it inspires lyrics. However writing lyrics for me is very second nature, still rivers run deep and all that. I try to connect to the emotion that Im feeling in my head then using my instrument I try to play that emotion, using that product I think about what those chords w/e make me think of (this is usually instantanious) and I just sing it out. 9 times out of 10 the words pour out, I write them down and spend a little time changing some parts to sound better or fit the melody better. I think its alot about chance, you cant write a love song if at that time on that day you arn't feeling either in love or heartbroken, at least not naturally.

I love that my songs mean more to me than anyone else, usually it takes me a while to figure out what the song actually means to me. I always think that music should be the individuals. That my song should be important to me for what I wrote it about, but should be important to everyone who listens to it for what it means to them and not important to the listener for my reasons. if you know what I mean?
 
It sounds like an obvious thing to say, but there are so many different kinds of songs and equally, so many different ways to write a song.
I don't go with this "natural and emotional are somehow purer" ethos that many subscribe to. Many of my favourite songs were 'forced' by the writer. As a listener, I could care less. If I like the song, I like the song.
I can't tell if someone was faking it just by listening to a song because there are zillions of different modes of expression, both in performance and songwriting.
As a writer, many of my songs will have a meaning for me that will escape everyone else on the planet. But by the same token, I can also make up rubbish on the spot if I feel inclined. And there's no reason why those sort of meaningless songs won't be as good or engaging as the deep meaningful ones. The other day I drove past a poster that said "The panda made me do it" and within 15 minutes, I sketched out three verses. As I was writing one of the verses I was thinking of Colonel Gadaffi so the song took on sinister overtones. I knew I'd be able to finish it. I forced a melody {I don't think I write good melodies if there's no music already there} and at some point, I'll sit down with the guitar and knock the whole thing into shape.
Trying to write 'about' something specific is kind of hard. But it can be done. I remember once having a great week away with some kids in Wales and because we were staying in a place called Pensarn Harbour, I had a title, "Pensarn in my fingertips" and I definitely wanted to write a song about that trip. But I just couldn't come up with anything. About 2 months later, I was vistiting my Dad abroad. Where he lived, the power lines had been out for 10 months so he had his own generator. But he used to go to bed at about 9 {in those days, I went to bed at 3 in the morning} and turn the generator off so it meant I had to crash out too. So I'm lying there totally awake, hearing all these loud insects and monkeys outside and mosquitoes inside when I decided to see if I could write that song about the trip to Wales. I managed to eke out a first verse and spent a couple of hours just repeating the words so they were lodged in my head. First thing I did when I woke up was remember the verse. It's one of the few times in my life I've ever done that, actually recalled a verse having not previously written it down. Then I wrote it down ! Later my Dad took me to this really boring meeting and I was so bored, I wrote three more verses. It was just the kind of thing that I would have wanted to have written when I was down in Wales. But those were the circumstances it came out. The other three verses were harder to write because I already had the first verse and I thought it was good.
I guess the point is that a versatile writer can act on inspiration or just drag any crap out and make something of it or make something up. But they all count. And the real key is practice.
 
Having a message that fits your chords isn't easy...

I wrote some lyrics the other day, when i was in the bus, and I have them saved on my computer.
I guess when i come up the some chords that will fit one of the songs more a less I'll work the chords and tune the lyrics to make a song out of it.
 
Having a message that fits your chords isn't easy...

I wrote some lyrics the other day, when i was in the bus, and I have them saved on my computer.
I guess when i come up the some chords that will fit one of the songs more a less I'll work the chords and tune the lyrics to make a song out of it.

When I write lyrics, they have their own "meter" that determine a beat, they also have a sort of built in melody that just seems to pop out on it's own (it's actually something that's in your head already of course). I sit in front of the mic (with no guitar) and just "build" the melody slowly. Once I'm done I find the chords that match the melody.
I find picking a chord pattern first to fit the lyrics is a problem because:
- you always play easy chords
- easy chords may be outside you vocal range which discourages you when you try to write melody / sing it.
YMMV
 
I find picking a chord pattern first to fit the lyrics is a problem because:
- you always play easy chords
That's interesting. I actually find the opposite is true. I try to stay away from what I consider to be easy or more to the point, predictable chord sequences. I feel that no matter how odd the chord pattern, there are a zillion melodies in there somewhere. If I do pick predictable/simplistic chord patterns though, the bassline and vocal melody and other elements will soon disabuse proceedings of any simplicity !
 
Agreed - but you have a lot of writing skills so you would have much more melody to draw from when writing chords first.
I guess I should say for some, the same (easy) chords have the same notes, and may push someone to derive same-ish melodies and/or melodies that are too low or too high for their vocals. :D:D:D:D
 
And that's when auto tuners kick in.

... I'm mostly joking. I'm still not sure of the use and advantage of using an auto tuner, I fear it may lead to an unnatural voice sound but then again I need to give it a test.
Also I wanna find to harmonize my voice without having to recrod each voice individually. I hear vocoders do this just fne, I just couldn't find a decent working vocoder.
 
Hearing a sound in my head that might only be a 3 second bit (a lick, or trill) and knowing how to put the pieces down and make the whole.

Can do chords and lyrics just fine, but without those little bits they aren't as easily set apart by the rest of the pack.
 
I rarely sit down with a topic in mind. On occasion, I may come a across a phrase that I think could be an interesting lyrical hook (or possible song title) which prompts me to write lyrics to support that phrase, and some type of story line develops.

However, the majority of my writing starts with some type of chord progression, which suggests a melody to me. Once the chord sequence and melody start to develop, it normally implies some type of feeling/emotion - and from there some type of lyrical content will develop.

I'm a big believer in trying to write something daily - even it it feels somewhat forced and even if part of it is crap. The more I write, the more ideas start to flow and as importantly, the more I learn about being a writer and musician.

I'm not really a fan of writing "for myself" - I prefer to develop story lines based on charactors that make themselves know to me and hopefully will be interesting to others (in particular to the publishers I work with). Candidly, it often seems that at times, charactors will invade my thoughts and force me to tell their story in song. I can only hope that I tell the story well enough so they get out of my head (and stop telling me to do bad things)
 
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