DJ Chris-D
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Song Structuring..
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grimtraveller
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Anyone asking this question will be looking for guidance on song structure, so starting with guidelines would be good only to know they can go their own way once they have built confidence.
There is a reasonable video on song structures that can be found here:
If you really want to learn about music find and do a course on Composition and Arrangement. You can do whole college degrees on Composition and Arrangement or or many books on it or simple online courses. Bite off as much as you can chew.
Consider this: What is the difference between a sound engineer and record producer? Look at the song credits in Wikipedia for hit songs credits. The producer is often given a credit for signwriting. In a home recording environment you don't normally have a production team. To some people home recording is about just putting a suitable microphone in front of an instrument or singer, setting the levels correctly and pressing record. Whatever comes out is what you record. To others it is about helping their artist to realise his or her vision for the finished product. This can mean anything from helping with signwriting; to hiring suitable session musicians; to vocal coaching; to helping them sign up for Distrokid; to relationship therapy for the band.
How To ACTUALLY Make A Hit Song (based on science)
5 Melodic Elements
There are also a bunch of YouTube videos on Max Martin's signwriting formula. Search for them.
I hope people find my contribution helpful.
One technique I have recommended to singer song-writers is to take a song they like, follow its structure, intro - verse - pre-chorus - chorus etc. Then look at the singer's melody including length of line, rhyming scheme, the meter of the song, rhythm of the melody, and very importantly when the melody repeats (I can't believe how many beginner song writes use a different melody with each verse). and copy that with your lyric and melody.
Once you have your melody, how is it harmonised?
Next, find a bass riff similar to the one in the song you are using for inspiration. Now find a matching drum line noting the arrangements elements of the original song. Finally fill in other instruments.
I have found this technique produces some of the best songs the client has ever produced. After they do it for a while they learn from their favourite artists.
There is a reasonable video on song structures that can be found here:
If you really want to learn about music find and do a course on Composition and Arrangement. You can do whole college degrees on Composition and Arrangement or or many books on it or simple online courses. Bite off as much as you can chew.
Consider this: What is the difference between a sound engineer and record producer? Look at the song credits in Wikipedia for hit songs credits. The producer is often given a credit for signwriting. In a home recording environment you don't normally have a production team. To some people home recording is about just putting a suitable microphone in front of an instrument or singer, setting the levels correctly and pressing record. Whatever comes out is what you record. To others it is about helping their artist to realise his or her vision for the finished product. This can mean anything from helping with signwriting; to hiring suitable session musicians; to vocal coaching; to helping them sign up for Distrokid; to relationship therapy for the band.
How To ACTUALLY Make A Hit Song (based on science)
5 Melodic Elements
- Repetition
- Simplicity - easy to sing along
- Familiarity - Steal from other songs
- Resolution - End on root note.
- Unexpected variations - Violate expectations.
There are also a bunch of YouTube videos on Max Martin's signwriting formula. Search for them.
I hope people find my contribution helpful.
TalismanRich
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I just found out that Firefox has a translate function! I told it to translate from German to English, and BINGO! All the posts on that page were in English. That's going to come in handy. I won't need to copy and paste stuff into Google Translate.
As for using the formula for creating a song, I don't know that the formula is what makes the song good, it's a catchy melody, and a hook that people can remember. They might only remember the words to one or two verses, but the hook will always be there.
Do you think that the AI bots will take the formula system to the nth degree? Pick the tempo and time signature that's most popular, throw in what it calculates to be a hook, put it in a key that most people can sing.
Seafroggys
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I love it when a post I made 14 years ago gets quoted 
Man, back in 2010 I was still a prolific songwriter/composer. After I wrote my Norse musical in 2011, all my juice was spent. I went from writing 15-20 songs a year to, like, one and a half.
Man, back in 2010 I was still a prolific songwriter/composer. After I wrote my Norse musical in 2011, all my juice was spent. I went from writing 15-20 songs a year to, like, one and a half.
DM60
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That means you should have an albums worth nowI love it when a post I made 14 years ago gets quoted
Man, back in 2010 I was still a prolific songwriter/composer. After I wrote my Norse musical in 2011, all my juice was spent. I went from writing 15-20 songs a year to, like, one and a half.
