Sonar XL 2.0, do I really need an editor?

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Hi guys, was wondering why would I need seperate editing software when the Sonar has somewhat editing tools in it? Is it kinda cheesy? I'm just beginnning and don't really think I need to buy something like Wave Lab or something, I honestly think thats kinda over kill for what I'm doing. Need help! Thanks!

Peter ><>
 
I have the same question

I, too, have been wondering that. I have been using Sonar 2 XL since it was released.

Here a few results: www.mp3.com/dontfeedthegoat

listen to Just Another Day

and Take the Rain at
http://www.garageband.com/song?|pe1|S8LTM0LdsaSnYFS3Zms

I did these two songs using just the out-of-the-box product. I'm not saying these are the best-produced songs, but I never felt that the wave editor was lacking.
 
No, you really don't need an editor. But it makes life easier. It depends on what you do, as most things, and how accurate you want to be.


And it's easier to "master" your mixdowned stereo-file in Wavelab and SoundForge, than it is in Sonar, IMHO...
 
You can get a lot of milage out of good ol' ACKUS. Most of the tools are there. And the TimesWorks stuff is nice too. (Assuming you can SEE the damned settings on the things. :rolleyes: )
:D
Wayne
 
u only really need an external editor for SRC(sample rate conversion) but if your recording at 44.1 then it really doesn't matter
 
I went to external wave editor (CEP 2) cause I'm a perfectionist kind ;) And I find also, that even you can handle most of those things in SONAR, but using some external editor (like CEP, SF, etc...) is somehow easier. And I love also to mess with the wave, you know... some dedicated wave editor has it's several special feature more than what you have in SONAR. Noise reduction in CEP 2 is the best I can tell... But for just basic wave editing, I did it within SONAR.

;)
Jaymz
 
Yes! One of the uses (for me) for an external wave-editor is experimenting. Just throwing on effects, flipping backwards and so on, is IMHO much easier to do outside of Sonar.
 
moskus said:
... and don't forget bitrate-conversion. ;)
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u can convert from 24 to 16 and vice versa...now if its any good in sonar can be debatable but it does it...
 
Teacher said:
now if its any good in sonar can be debatable but it does it...
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking about...
 
^^

moskus said:
Yeah, that's what I was thinking about...
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So your telling me to take 24-bit audio ans convert to 16 in Sound Forge???

When you export audio in Sonar to 16 bit is the signal loss more than if I did the same thing in Sound Forge?

Thanks..
 
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Bstage said:
So your telling me to take 24-bit audio ans convert to 16 in Sound Forge???
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I would say that... but that's just me. ;)
 
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moskus said:
I would say that... but that's just me. ;)
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Right on... Didnt know where I should convert the 24 bit audio down with.. I was told Vegas pro can do it without dithering as bad as Sonar... Correct in asssumption???

Does anyone have the Izotope Mastering Plugin for Sonar... Wanted some advise if the plugin is worth it weight in music Gold......
 
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Bstage said:
I was told Vegas pro can do it without dithering as bad as Sonar... Correct in asssumption???
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I don't know... But if you have SoundForge, use that.
 
i do all my recording, editing, and mixing in sonar.

i've been using cakewalk since it was in DOS so i just know the product so well that i can get things done.

but i master in SEKD samplitude master.

i export my mix in sonar to a 24bit/48khz stereo mix (notice no conversions). then i import that stereo wave into samplitude master get my volumes right and put any necessary EQ, Comp, Lim on the individual mixed stereo tracks.

then when i'm burning the CD that's where the bit and sample rate conversion takes place.
 
Whats the Ballpark $$$$$

I got the Izotope free. I am not really interested in Mastering any of my releases myself... So I doubt I will want to pay $$$$ $$$ for a Master only program when I have Sound Forge and Sonar.... Best case scenario will be for rec. use or beat samplers for the public.... I was told to record dry for the Mastering house to add needed verb compression, as well as overall limiting... Recording to -12 on all vocals and to turn the beat and vocals way down to avoid any distortion....

Cya
 
Sonar is lacking at least one crucial tool for editing, and I cannot believe it is missing it!!! Phase Invert!!! Yes, you have a phase button in the mixer section, but you would have to output a .wav file of just that track and bring it back into the session. Blah blah blah.....cheesy that it doesn't have phase invert in the edit functions like most editors do!

Also, there is only a -3dB and +3dB that can be applied from audio edit. :rolleyes: I cannot count the time I only WANT a 2dB change and can't do it.....:( Oh well....

It would also be nice to have some more options in the Fade menus!!! The stock one's are totall inadequate for real editing!!!

I still use Wavelab when I need more precise editing with the above functions. Maybe Sonar 3.0 will include these simple things. Maybe not.....

Ed
 
sonusman said:
Sonar is lacking at least one crucial tool for editing, and I cannot believe it is missing it!!! Phase Invert!!! Yes, you have a phase button in the mixer section, but you would have to output a .wav file of just that track and bring it back into the session. Blah blah blah.....cheesy that it doesn't have phase invert in the edit functions like most editors do!

Also, there is only a -3dB and +3dB that can be applied from audio edit. :rolleyes: I cannot count the time I only WANT a 2dB change and can't do it.....:( Oh well....

It would also be nice to have some more options in the Fade menus!!! The stock one's are totall inadequate for real editing!!!

I still use Wavelab when I need more precise editing with the above functions. Maybe Sonar 3.0 will include these simple things. Maybe not.....

Ed
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couldn't u use an envelope for the 2 db thing as well as the fade?
 
Imagine a Swiss knife. It has a lot of tools in it but we still keep scissors, knives, screwdrivers and other tools. Ever wondered why? :)
 
Teacher said:
couldn't u use an envelope for the 2 db thing as well as the fade?
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Yes, but that would be post processing envelopes. For instance, let's say I want up the volume of a snare hit (ghost note) before I use Drumagog so that the snare hit is within the threshold, a volume envelope over the wave file will not cause the input to Drumagog to increase for that one hit.

And while a envelope would indeed offer more versatility over a fade, it is somwhat combersome to use. If you have Wavelab and check out the fade options, you will see what I mean. The curve is VERY adjustable.

Sonar isn't the best editor for production work. Hopefull they will see that it actually COULD BE a great editor too. Maybe they could release a "Pro" version with advanced editing capabilities in trade of the advanced midi capabilities. I don't use midi much at all, and certainly don't need the advanced midi functions Sonar provides. The reason I dig Sonar is that the interface is excellent compared to most anything else I have used. It would be nice though if it made the jump into more advanced direct .wav file editing.

Call it my big wish right now.

Oh, and that silly master buss that easily distorts!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR..........

Ed
 
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