Sonar XL 2.0, do I really need an editor?

[mixsit]

Yes, but that would be post processing envelopes. For instance, let's say I want up the volume of a snare hit (ghost note) before I use Drumagog so that the snare hit is within the threshold, a volume envelope over the wave file will not cause the input to Drumagog to increase for that one hit.

>>>The 'Clip' envelope which is pre everything would act here like a gain or trim control I believe.>>
Oops. (edit )There's a 'Trim' control for that isn't there?>>>

And while a envelope would indeed offer more versatility over a fade, it is somwhat combersome to use. If you have Wavelab and check out the fade options, you will see what I mean. The curve is VERY adjustable.

Sonar isn't the best editor for production work. Hopefull they will see that it actually COULD BE a great editor too. Maybe they could release a "Pro" version with advanced editing capabilities in trade of the advanced midi capabilities. I don't use midi much at all, and certainly don't need the advanced midi functions Sonar provides. The reason I dig Sonar is that the interface is excellent compared to most anything else I have used. It would be nice though if it made the jump into more advanced direct .wav file editing.

Call it my big wish right now.

>>>I like the sound of that. I'm in the same boat here... >>

Oh, and that silly master buss that easily distorts!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR..........

>>>I haven't run into this. Can you expand on that?
Thanks
Wayne>>>

Ed

 

[sonusman]

The "trim" applied over the whole "track". As far as I know, it cannot be applied seperately to different clips within the same track. So, that is not an option. The fact is, if you want to do direct editing to the .wav file in track view, you can only do +/- 3dB adjustments.

The master buss in Sonar shows clipping before it clips. I suppose there is some type of meter adjustment you can select that makes it a true peak meter, but it should be set that way by default. Something in addition to this, if you were to make a mix that doesn't even reach 0dB on those meters by way of turning down the master buss, then insert like a Waves L2 on the master buss, the L2 would be showing gain reduction even when it's threshold is set to 0dB!!! How the hell can THAT be possible if the master buss never reaches 0dB? It would appear that the insert is pre fader and there is no way I know of to change that!!! Sucko mania!!!

Sonar is still lacking in many departments before it is a very cool audio editor! Great interface but lacking crucial features for a production environment, unless you can settle for less than what is available in other editors. It is too bad they cannot see the potential in a "Pro" line for Sonar. Maybe something is in the works. Maybe I will just have to start talking a lot of crap about Cakewalk and maybe they will see that and do something!!! Nah, my wishes aren't that important to them.

Ed

 

[mixsit]

The trim would hit the whole track but clip envelope wouldn't. They're handy also when you want to decide whether the volume change is going to effect how hard you're hitting a track compressor in a certin region (vs track envelopes).

Interesting about the master insert vs effect insert levels. I never noticed this, mostly because I have allways mixed with the master meter in 'pre' mode, at least initially, and kept it below zero there. but then I'm not taking advantage of the built in mix head-room available. (Is that a poor way to go?)

There was a post at the news group several days ago- The topic (generally) was that Cake is not a company that will go after many of the features and bug fixes that would put it comfortably in the 'pro' invironment. That they have their market focus and that's that. (One was mutting when you insert a plug. Doesn't a patch bay do that a bit?)
But it's three hundred bucks, stable and sweet, so...

Wayne