Sonar issue?

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Is it true that Sonar's channel mixing abilities are less capable than Cubase?

Is it true that Sonar can't handle take a pair of L/R mono channels from Reason(Rewire) and mix them into a single stereo channel?
 
Unless you are using the Main out of Reason , where it give L/R in the same channel, yes, it is true, you cannot get the L/R into one channel. Or if you can, I hope someone tells us how! I have been stuck with having to take the L/R from, say, the NN19 sampler into two separate channels in the patch bay of Reason, and then insert two audio tracks in Sonar, one each to take the channels (L/R) and it is a bit of a pain, especially when (like in one of my tunes) I am using 4 different instances of NN19 in a song (bass, piano, rhodes, violin) a subtractor patch, and the ReDrum module. Takes up 6 MIDI tracks and 12 audio tracks to patch it all in to SONAR. But, in the grand scheme of things, I don't find this a reason to not use it.
 
How it's not true? Do I really have to answer this? ;)


  • I actually find Sonar more free with routing signals than Cubase. You can have as many VMains and Aux'es you want! No limitations! Now, if Cakewalk just had some solo-buttons for the Aux'es, I would be in heaven! :)
  • ReWire works beautifully with Sonar. Know from experience...
 
maybe we are talking Reason 1 vs Reason 2? I have Reason 1, and I cannot patch a device (ie a sampler or synth) in Reason into a single channel of the Reason patchbay, and it is those channels in the patchbay that I then have to call up in the associated Audio track in Sonar: therefore I have to use two audio tracks and one midi track of Sonar for every Reason device I want to control.

I understand that I can then use Aux busses to handle the pair of channels in mixing in the end, but now that means I am using 1 midi track, two audio tracks and an aux bus for each Reason device: for me it is about the clutter that starts to generate in the track view of Sonar.

If I am missing something painfully obvious, let me know, or point me to where I could find it out.
 
Errr... I didn't really get what you want to do...

I control my Reason synths from Sonar using Rewire. These synth are connected (in reason, that is) to the Reason Mixer. The output (two channels, right and left) from the Reason mixer is then routed back to Sonar. Isn't this the easiest way of doing it?

The main question at the first posts was Sonars mixing capabilities vs Cubases mixing capabilities... ;)
 
moskus said:
Errr... I didn't really get what you want to do...

I control my Reason synths from Sonar using Rewire. These synth are connected (in reason, that is) to the Reason Mixer. The output (two channels, right and left) from the Reason mixer is then routed back to Sonar. Isn't this the easiest way of doing it?
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oh, yeah I know that works, but the disadvantage of that is then you can't apply independent effects or EQing to the various Reason devices within SONAR because they are all coming into the same audio track (and I don't really like the Reason effects). Also, then you have to use the Reason mixer to adjust relative levels, (when you have a MIDI controller set up as a remote device in SONAR, it can only handle SONAR parameters, but if each device in Reason has its own Sonar track, you can control each one independently), hence the need to patch each one in independently to SONAR (in other words, I remove the mixer from Reason altogether: devices are patched straight into the patch bay at the top of the Reason panel)

The main question at the first posts was Sonars mixing capabilities vs Cubases mixing capabilities... ;) [/B]
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true: but he did ask specifically if you can patch Reason outputs (L/R) straight into one stereo Sonar track. I know nothing about whether Cubase can or can't do this, I just know that if you don't want to use the Reason Mix L/R output for the reasons I described above, you can't do it in Sonar.
 
Sorry, that's how ReWire works, and I expect it to be the exact same with Cubase.
 
Thanks for your replies..

Yes my question involves Reason 1. I am trying to mix two tracks coming from Reason, other than the Mix L/R.. so I can apply individual real-time effects on the various tracks. Just like cstockdale said.

I was playing around with Cubase and I think it has something that can do that.. but i still didn't get time to learn it.
 
Then yes, in Sonar/Cubase you will need two audiotracks (or just one for mono-playback) and one MIDI-track for controlling the synth. Why Propellerheads hasn't thought it out differently, is anybodys guess... ;)
 
bluesand said:
Thanks for your replies..

Yes my question involves Reason 1. I am trying to mix two tracks coming from Reason, other than the Mix L/R.. so I can apply individual real-time effects on the various tracks. Just like cstockdale said.

I was playing around with Cubase and I think it has something that can do that.. but i still didn't get time to learn it.
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you can either apply the same effect to each audio track, or run them through an aux bus and just put one instance in there. Although a little inconvenient, it really isn't an issue in the end. Or, if you like what you have out of Reason, then you can record it to a track as audio, then you can just delete the original audio and midi tracks and work with teh audio one that you are left with ... in stereo.
 
moskus said:
Then yes, in Sonar/Cubase you will need two audiotracks (or just one for mono-playback) and one MIDI-track for controlling the synth. Why Propellerheads hasn't thought it out differently, is anybodys guess... ;)
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I think using one track as mono for each instrument would be the simplest way. and then adding a stereo effect + reverb, etc. but i'm not sure if the sound quality would be affected.
 
cstockdale said:
you can either apply the same effect to each audio track, or run them through an aux bus and just put one instance in there. Although a little inconvenient, it really isn't an issue in the end. Or, if you like what you have out of Reason, then you can record it to a track as audio, then you can just delete the original audio and midi tracks and work with teh audio one that you are left with ... in stereo.
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Actually, I do not like what I have out of Reason.. the reverb is nice, but you need different reverbs for different instruments, etc.
 
bluesand said:
I think using one track as mono for each instrument would be the simplest way. and then adding a stereo effect + reverb, etc. but i'm not sure if the sound quality would be affected.
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Why would the sound quality be affected? ;)

If you mean that you'll only hear one side of a stereo-synth, then that's true...
 
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